Comment by YZF
2 years ago
I think dang made a mistake by allowing this topic onto HN. Nothing good is going to come out of that.
Begin is rolling in his grave as we speak. There is nothing between today's Likud and any historic version of that party. That's one thing.
The Likud (under the leadership of Sharon, who is also rolling in his grave) is also the party that withdrew from Gaza and handed it to the Palestinian Authority, dismantling settlements (by force). The Likud (under Begin's leadership) was the party that made peace with Egypt and gave Sinai back, also dismantling Israeli settlements (by force).
I don't think the history of the Irgun is really relevant here. At any rate, the views of the Likud shifted substantially and current party called "Likud" has really zero connection to the Likud at the time of Begin/Shamir/Sharon etc.
> dang made a mistake by allowing this topic
Strongly disagree. There are honest debates and questions here. I am learning from them, though I’m also fact checking everything that surprises.
Too loaded. Too complex. Too many strong emotions/feelings. Destruction, death, loss. Amplified. Weaponized. I know I feel very strongly and it's hard to put things in objective terms.
You need to zoom in, zoom out, the history is vast, there's the big picture, there are details. Most of what you'll encounter online and in the media, on both sides really, is propaganda.
Stating “too complex” about any argument is a sure fire way to ensure no one gains any understanding about the topic.
I hate sports analogies (doubly so with something as serious as this), but… you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take or the debates you don’t have.
“I can’t even” isn’t a mature response to complexity.
You don't want it talked about so try throwing a smokescreen that no-one should. I say the big picture is quite clear enough.
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> I think dang made a mistake by allowing this topic onto HN. Nothing good is going to come out of that.
Actually I find the discussion on HN has brought up many useful insights on a complex conflict that provokes emotional responses. It's a model that many other communities could learn from.