Comment by JumpCrisscross
2 years ago
> dang made a mistake by allowing this topic
Strongly disagree. There are honest debates and questions here. I am learning from them, though I’m also fact checking everything that surprises.
2 years ago
> dang made a mistake by allowing this topic
Strongly disagree. There are honest debates and questions here. I am learning from them, though I’m also fact checking everything that surprises.
Too loaded. Too complex. Too many strong emotions/feelings. Destruction, death, loss. Amplified. Weaponized. I know I feel very strongly and it's hard to put things in objective terms.
You need to zoom in, zoom out, the history is vast, there's the big picture, there are details. Most of what you'll encounter online and in the media, on both sides really, is propaganda.
Stating “too complex” about any argument is a sure fire way to ensure no one gains any understanding about the topic.
I hate sports analogies (doubly so with something as serious as this), but… you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take or the debates you don’t have.
“I can’t even” isn’t a mature response to complexity.
You don't want it talked about so try throwing a smokescreen that no-one should. I say the big picture is quite clear enough.
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I didn't mean in general. I meant on Hacker News.
How can you compare the war in Gaza to the systemic killing of Jews by the Germans is beyond me. The war in Gaza is devastating but on the scale of wars it pales compared to the war in Ukraine, or the war in Yemen, or the civil war in Syria, or the wars in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any other major conflict in recent history. And none of these are comparable to WW-II or the Holocaust either.
How can you compare the world today that is demanding of Israel to stop the war to the world that stood by and didn't do enough during the holocaust.
If I draw graph where I plot all world conflicts in history, with one axis being the human toll (dead, injured) and the other axis being world response (not sure what metric we should use, I'll pick number of people marching in the streets), you'll see that Israel is being singled out in a negative way. And that's before we have the discussion of "right" vs. "wrong", "who started", or the other political and historical aspects.
I disagree with "Palestinians being genocided". I think the word genocide should be used to describe some very specific circumstances and should not be used for violent conflicts even when very large number of people die.
I think your statement would sound a lot hollower if we put in in more objective terms, let me rewrite that for you: "I wonder if that's the world felt if it wasn't 18,000 Palestinian deaths in war between Gaza and Israel following the Oct 7th attack on Israel but 6 million Jews who were systemically murdered by Hitler's Germany with the stated goal of murdering all Jews in Europe. The murders were carried out primarily through mass shootings and poison gas in extermination camps.".
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It absolutely did. The world largely didn't know and/or ignored what was happening to Jews.
Likewise with almost every other tragedy/war/genocide/whatever you prefer to call it that's happened in the world.