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Comment by rendall

2 years ago

My condolences again. I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish, and I don't personally know anyone directly affected by the attack (as far as I know), but what makes this attack particularly nightmarish for me personally is the world reaction. One can expect indifference. It's far away, another awful atrocity among so many, whatever. But to aggressively, actively deny. Aggressively, actively assume the worst about the victims. To publish long-form articles on the ways the Jewish-oops-Zionist-cabal "control the narrative" and then see that article show up here on the front page of HN. To see the founder of YC tweet out snarky comments like "Its a grim day 31 Israeli children and thousands of Palestinian children are dead". Ivy league students, professors chanting for genocide of Jews, and their Presidents' equivocate before the nation and the world about whether this is harassment. HRW, having an opportunity to unequivocally condemn an atrocity of such depravity, instead both-sides it as if Israel is somehow complicit. Everyone completely ignoring whatever Israel explains about its actions as obvious lies without actually doing the work of falsification. And even here, where a simple human offering of condolence gets some nasty denizen making nasty accusations. What is nightmarish to me is how deep the rot goes.

So, my condolences to you and the families for the children and other victims. My condolences extends to the world at large. There is a loss is innocence here, for me.

But Israelis do have rock solid allies out here.

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  • Nah. White supremacists hate Jews and do not argue for Israel. You know this. Jews including Ashkenazi and Palestinians are genetically similar, and Israel is a non-white nation, including Mizrahi, Muslim, Druze, and Ethiopians.

    No, white supremacists argue without mitigation against Israel.

    • I believe you mean Sephardi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews are mostly of European descent. And if you knew any Sephardi Israelis, like some of my coworkers, you'd know they mostly feel treated differently. I don't know any Ethiopians Israelis, but it seems to be worse for them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

      > Some elements within the Ashkenazi Israeli Jewish population have also been described as holding discriminatory attitudes towards fellow Jews of other backgrounds, including against Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc. Although intermarriage between Ashkenazim and Sephardim/Mizrahim is increasingly common in Israel, and social integration is constantly improving, disparities continue to persist. Ethiopian Jews in particular have faced discrimination from non-Black Jews. It has been suggested that the situation of the Ethiopian Jews as 'becoming white' is similar to that of some European immigrants like Poles and Italians who arrived in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

      You'd be surprised to know most white supremacists are pro-Israel (including the original German Nazi party, guess which side most white supremacist political parties are?), mostly because they see it as a way to get Jewish people out of their country and keep the Middle-East destabilized.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

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