Comment by cogman10
2 years ago
Interesting. So having a state isn't a right. Or are you saying Palestinians are not people?
What does "making peace" with Israel look like? Why don't you consider the West Bank to be at peace with Israel?
Was modern Israel established by making peace with its occupants?
It is a right. But if your state attacks another state and loses, you are going to be occupied, tough luck, consider not attacking anyone next time.
Israel was established by consent of the legal owner of Palestine that day, British Empire, and was attacked by what you would call Palestinians today (Arabs living in former British Palestine) on the first day of existence - and never had a day of peace since then.
I in all honesty don't know what peace could look like today. It should embrace recognition of State of Israel in its borders (that's the easy part, but was never delivered from the Arab side) and realistic guarantees that it will not be attacked again (that one is hard).
> But if your state attacks another state and loses
What state attacked what state?
Gaza is not a state, Hamas is not a state government, it's a terrorist organization.
But also, what of the West bank, which has been at peace with Israel for decades. Why don't the Arabs living there have rights? Why are they without state? Because of the actions of terrorists in gaza? Should you share a punishment because you share an ethnicity?
> What state attacked what state?
Wannabe Palestinian state in 1948. Alliance of Arabic states in 1967. That's irrelevant detail IMO.
> Hamas is not a state government, it's a terrorist organization.
Tell that WHO that sees Hamas Ministry of Health as reliable source of information. Or current leadership of the West Bank that sees Hamas as legitimate partners moving on.
> Why are they without state?
Because they themselves don't see themselves separate from Gaza population. Never in the history did the leadership of West Bank go to Israel and say "we recognize you as a state, and want to make peace with you. Oh, and don't worry about Gaza, they don't have anything in common with us apart from ethnicity". Without recognition it's not a peace, it's a forced ceasefire.