Comment by oblio
2 years ago
Well, it's a mix. There are a ton of captive Windows users, corporate employees, gamers, people working with Microsoft technologies, etc.
But there are also experienced Windows users and frankly a lot of the garbage added isn't that big of a deal. Yeah, it requires a bunch of configuration work, but after a few hours you can get Windows to more or less work how it's always worked.
> But there are also experienced Windows users and frankly a lot of the garbage added isn't that big of a deal. Yeah, it requires a bunch of configuration work, but after a few hours you can get Windows to more or less work how it's always worked.
Yeah, people like to complain about the amount of time they spend getting Windows to work they want, but they’re willing to spend hours trying to get sleep to work in Linux.
There are plenty of scripts out there to disable as much or as little of the telemetry and everything else as you want, using the Pro or Enterprise editions lets you skip the cloud, and then it just… works.
There’s a certain give and take with all OSes about how much you adapt to it and how much it adapts to you. At work I use a Mac, I have two Linux servers in my closet, and my personal machine runs Windows. They’re each the right tool for their respective jobs, for me.
> but they’re willing to spend hours trying to get sleep to work in Linux.
There is no need to set up the sleep for Linux if you choose a supported hardware and not a Windows-certified one. Complaining that Linux doesn't work on the latter is like complaining that MacOS doesn't work on it.
I wish I had written this into the original comment because I knew someone would say this.
No it isn’t - MacOS and Macs are a singular product sold together. Windows and Linux are OSes that are downloadable from the web or buyable from stores and Windows consumer hardware support is simply better. And that’s okay, there are people who will seek devices that support it better, but I am not one of them, I will just virtualize it or run it in WSL.
If Linux had 30% desktop market share that would change, but it doesn’t.
FWIW, I agree with most criticisms of Windows. It is clear Microsoft no longer treats Windows the OS as a product, they treat every individual piece of it as a product, and that’s resulting in some weird, ugly, user hostile shit, but I can still get rid of it in no time at all and have a better personal OS. I think of it like adding unlock to a browser.
If it continues down its current path, I may be willing to switch, but it hasn’t passed the value/pain curve point for me yet.
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> but after a few hours you can get Windows to more or less work how it's always worked.
until the next update rolls out
There's a nag screen every 4? 6 months? It takes me about 5 minutes to take care of it. Oh, I'm fairly sure I have the Pro edition.
Hardly anything life changing or that would require a ton more work to set up a new workstation, instead.
"Just ignore the cloud features, it's fine."
"Just ignore the ads, it's fine."
"Just unplug ethernet during setup to get the option to ignore the cloud features, it's fine."
"Just edit the registry to ignore the cloud features, it's fine."
(sound of boiling water increases)
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The joke from Windows users used to be "Linux is only free if your time has no value." The irony there is that I've spent more time in the past 12 months fighting to get software working on Windows than on Linux (and it was Xbox Game Pass, which is from Microsoft themselves!).
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> But there are also experienced Windows users and frankly a lot of the garbage added isn't that big of a deal.
I've been exactly one of those users, at least until Win10. I'm dreading 11.
Windows 11 broke basic task bar customization - how do you so completely ignore your users?
Pinning my taskbar to the side of my monitor is the hill I'll die on.
They have been putting features back into it each update though. We finally have the ability to ungroup open task bar entries again/etc.
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I've been on a Mac since 2007, with my Dock on the side of my screen since the second I got my first iMac. If they ever prevented me from putting my Dock on the side, I would stop buying their products.
I feel your pain.
It's not 100% reliable but there is a nice script called buttery taskbar. Check it out, it makes taskbar situation manageable. You just need to restart it sometimes.