Comment by mvdtnz
1 year ago
Is there a name for this tactic that people like you use? Where you think you can deflect attention from the disgusting atrocities of October 7 (atrocities which continue to this day as the perpetrators continue to torture hostages) by laser focusing on just one perhaps false claim made during the fog of war?
October 7 was a barbaric act of murder, torture, rape and kidnapping, involving men, women, children and babies. Women were forced to watch their children burned to death before themselves being burned alive. Men had fingers, toes, hands and feet removed before being shot in the head. I couldn't care less if the rumour of beheaded babies is false because there were enough atrocities at the same scale which have been confirmed. Shame on you for deflecting from this fact. Shame on you.
Nearly every single thing you have just listed as "things that happened on Oct 7" have ALREADY been debunked and shown by INDEPENDENT JOURNALISTS to be a lie.
Mutilation. False. Burnings (except by Israeli tank shells and Hellfire missiles). False. Beheaded babies (the one thing you did admit to). False.
You just PROVED the entire raison d'etre of the article, and of the poster you responded to.
A lot of these are indeed missing evidence verified by journalists. But mutilation is not one of these. Mutilation of already dead bodies were captured on videos recorded by Hamas terrorists and released on the 40 min propaganda video by the IDF which has had public screenings and were watch e.g. by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. See e.g. this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc5iG3DX7ho) of a pro-palestine activist recount of that video. This is actually a good recount and does list quite many of the oft cited supposed atrocities which are indeed missing, at the very least, from this particular compilation.
And, in addition to what I posted above, that 1 non-Israeli-shill journalist (Owens) whose video you linked to, was NOT invited and actualy sneaked in by an acquaintance who was.
And needless to say, he wasn't allowed to take the footage away with him, so that a careful forensic analysis could be done.
All of which FURTHER UNDERLINES what I said above.
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I have seen a gruesome hamas video of them hacking at a Nepali worker's neck with a hoe. It was publicly available in reddit. There were burnt remains of victims at different sites, and have seen media reporting them with graphic videos. It is interesting how hamas supporters downplay the horrors of the October 7 attack and try to change the narrative.
> hamas supporters
If you have to label everyone who goes against the narrative that Palestinians are "human animals" that must to be wiped off the Earth, and other things Israeli politicians said while the IDF is doing it (or even just anyone who cares about factuality full stop) a Hamas supporter, that should tell you something.
As Bernie Steinberg said here https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/29/steinberg-weap...
> If Israel’s cause is just, let it speak eloquently in its own defense. It is very telling that some of Israel’s own supporters instead go to extraordinary lengths to utterly silence the other side. Smearing one’s opponents is rarely a tactic employed by those confident that justice is on their side.
The same principles that condemn the crimes of Hamas condemn the Israeli atrocities. It's really not complicated once you strip away all the labels of pro-this and anti-that.
Well then, here are some other videos for you to see.
Of acclaimed, established and renowned independent journalists, ...
with collectively decades of experience reporting on this very issue, ...
using direct Israeli sources, ...
to debunk the claims of any mass, organized campaign of rapes, beheading, mutilation, etc, etc, etc
https://youtu.be/RmhrRknUwtUsi=Bo851vbgprjsOdlo
https://youtu.be/WEyVdHL09vY?si=QaRCkr5TVKiinny
https://www.youtube.com/live/CPMf3CIa_BAsi=jzNZfD76KlK_7Oel
There's one unshakable truth emerging g from this genocide.
Israel TELLS you what happened, and it has been caught lying so much that it barely registers an upturned eyebrow any longer.
Palestine SHOWS you what happened, with 100s and 100s and 100s and 100s of videos, testimonies, etc, etc.
And that's why the vast majority of the world no longer believes you.
And why one side (guess which one?) is busy massacring journalists into the 3 figures now. If that side had the truth on their side, then they wouldn't be doing that.
It really is that simple!
Even if the October 7th attacks had been worse than the rumours, does anyone really think that justifies killing thousands of innocent people including women and children, displacing over a million, destroying hospitals and cutting off water and food supply?
When there is a school shooting, should it be punished by a massive bombing campaign on the town where the perpetrator lives?
These atrocities are just plane wrong, no matter the motivation. Pointing out the crimes of Israel is not the same as supporting violence by Hamas. Both sides are in the wrong for their treatment of innocent civilians, however Israel is entirely to blame for their illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
It's called "intellectual honesty". It's not a tactic, it's more like a strategy.
One crime doesn't justify or deflect from another. Simple as that. And to exploit the victims of the Hamas attacks to commit ethnic cleansing is not honoring them, it's really just exploiting them for jingoistic purposes, and to dehumanize all Palestinians. We've seen so much of that we won't forget for decades.