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Comment by lupusreal

2 years ago

Pol Pot wasn't "innately" evil and I doubt many people would say such a thing. Pol Pot is evil because he did evil things, not the other way around. For that matter, most Christians believe that all people are prone to sin and the difference between people is whether they seek forgiveness after giving into sin. The innate sense of evil exists in all people which is why Christ had to sacrifice himself to atone for that sin. Personally I am not a christian and blood sacrifice (of anybody or anything) to atone for sins doesn't make logical sense to me, but that's what their bible says and that's what most of them preach. A few, like Calvinists, are notable exceptions.

> Pol Pot wasn't "innately" evil and I doubt many people would say such a thing.

> Personally I am not a christian

You really shouldn't extrapolate from yourself then.

I've seen this discourse repeatedly in Germany when it comes to Hitler and the Nazis:

1. Hitler did unspeakably evil things.

2. Therefore Hitler was evil.

3. However the evil he did was so uniquely evil he can not be compared to others.

4. Therefore Hitler was uniquely capable of committing such evil.

5. This implies Hitler was already innately evil prior to committing those acts.

This usually extends to falsely distinguish the evil SS from the "patriotic" Wehrmacht (who were "ordinary soldiers just following orders" and only "incidentally" ended up participating in mass murders). It's directly tied to the Great Man narrative of history: only Hitler could have been Hitler because he was innately different. The idea in the Great Man narrative usually being that a great leader emerges and changes history, rather than history changing through the conflict of material conditions (or ideas, if you're a Hegelian) and the actual figureheads being largely incidental (i.e. what Marxists call dialectical materialism).

According to demographic data, over 40% of Germans identify as non-religious whereas in the US it's a bit over 20%, so I would expect Americans to actually be more likely to think this way (if not outright going with the "demon person" idea of evil).

Also, according to most Christian faiths Jesus specifically atoned for the Original Sin (Adam and Eve disobeying God by eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil). The entire "redemption" thing is also a bit more complicated: in practice even Protestant and Catholic Christians generally behave as if they were following the Eastern Orthodox view of mortal sins where mortal sins are irredeemable and the separation from God they inflict on the sinner is permanent.

But this is a digression. The point is, most people view evil when it comes to person not as a mere descriptor of having done something but

- either: having a pre-existing innate essence of evil-ness that allowed them to do it

- or: having been so corrupted by the act itself that they now possess a permanent essence of evil-ness

or a combination of the two. In other words: an Evil Person™ is not just a person who has done an evil thing but a person uniquely capable of and predisposed towards doing evil things to a greater extent than a Normal Person™ would be. Pol Pot wasn't just evil because he did evil things, he did those evil things because he was Pol Pot, an evil person.

I'll shut up now before I get started on how different ideas of free will play into this.