Comment by locallost
1 year ago
In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.
1 year ago
In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.
> The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine
That's arguable, certainly in the west at least. Even if most people oppose the current war/atrocities that doesn't mean that they generally favour Palestine (or especially Hamas..) over Israel (.e.g. like you didn't have to be pro-Sadam to oppose the war in Iraq).
The world is pro-justice. At the moment, Israel's genocide and the long-term brutal occupation have caused anyone to pay attention to support Palestine.
The world includes a lot of people and a lot of countries. Many of them strongly disagree with your characterization of what is happening as a genocide, including many of the world's democracies. You can think whatever you want about the conflict - but it is undeniablely wrong to say that "anyone paying attention" is supporting Palestine.
(I also strongly disagree with calling it a genocide, btw.)
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They don't have to go away.
But, I think its reasonable to assert that the Arab world desperately needs to become more secularized. Most of the Arab world is deeply anti-semitic, deeply tribal (even amongst themselves), and deeply backwards in their orientation to what makes a free society possible.
In that sense, the palestinians need a big cultural change.
That might have happened if Israel hadn't interfered to deny Gazans any alternative to Hamas. Presumably they hoped that would cripple Gaza even more.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolste...
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/14/hamas-israel-palestinian...
These are all op-eds. Opinions, not facts. That's one. Secondly, for some of the links, if you follow the logic, they are suggesting that Israel should have gone to war with Hamas earlier and eliminated it. Thirdly, what exactly are you suggesting Israel should have done earlier in relation to Gaza and Hamas?
You probably don't know. Neither do I. If we did, other smarter people would have too and it would have probably been implemented already.
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Where are you getting this information? Arab don't "need to become secularized" -- why? To make you happy? Being Muslim doesn't make a person anti-Jewish. It is extremely bizarre that you are calling for an entire group of millions of people to change their culture.
As one source, I'd highly recommend Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam. Yasmine Mohammed provides some first hand experiences here.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/49645708