Comment by HDThoreaun
1 year ago
Gaza absolutely is a prison. Keeping Gazans there is the only way to ensure Israelis safety. Is that unfair? Absolutely, but I dont think Israelis are especially interested in fairness here, theyre interested in their security. You cant compare Gaza to post ww2 countries. Gaza has no economy, and a vastly different culture. There is no path toward peace between gaza and Israel. Not even on the 1000 year time span, because that would require gazan quality of life to improve, and they just dont have the land or resources for that to happen.
Why are we more concerned about the safety of Israelis than the safety of Palestinians?
Im concerned with realistic solutions. Israel has all the power here, the reality is that any solution will be one that benefits them, and hopefully palestinians are willing to go along with.
Israel can be forced into concessions just as South Africa was, if external actors - most notably, US - stop bankrolling them, and start applying sanctions instead. It only has all the power because others let it have that power, and even contribute directly to increasing said power.
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I have spent days researching the history of this. The problem in its entirety is Zionism. The only way for Zionism to remain, is for Israel to be permanently at war. Research Likud, read about Netanyahu, Zionism is the contagion and a Forever War is their answer.
Should the Palestinians have agency and self determination?
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I agree, any solution that is unpopular to Israelis will be opposed by their democratically elected government that happens to have the military power to prevent it. Even if people elsewhere don't like it
Israel doesn't doesn't have to use its power for ethnic cleansing and genocide forever.
Because the Palestinian government in Gaza kidnaps babies. And they claimed they would do it again and again until all of Israel is Palestine. You haven’t heard anything even remotely as dangerous from Israeli official statements, let alone action.
Erm, https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/22/23972908/pales...
Children are detained for years under this law.
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/20/bezalel-smotrich-jordan-gre...
This is incitement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-67926799
Denying access to water is a war crime, and is acknowledged to have happened here.
There are links here, where are yours to prove your assertions?
> Is that unfair? Absolutely
What's fair to you then? What's the fair solution?