1) There are people who dislike E. Musk but you can't know whether the downvoters are those people or not.
2) Twitter hasn't shutdown, but you can't know if that's connected to the downvotes.
3) Same as 2)
4) You can't know that the parent was downvoted for happily using Twitter.
For something which claims to be "the reason and reality", it's really "things I imagine are the reason without evidence, because that lets me feel superior to strawHN users". The reason I'm writing this is to intercept you going "downvoted for telling the truth" because what you are telling isn't the truth.
> For something which claims to be "the reason and reality", it's really "things I imagine are the reason without evidence, because that lets me feel superior to strawHN users".
By inspecting the greyed out comments and its content, you can find your evidence of this by simply seeing more of the flagged / dead comments supporting Twitter / X. No explicit admitting is needed.
Thus, this is indeed an over-reaction to the four facts and given the HN sentiment has already been cemented to detest the fact that Twitter / X did not shutdown as incorrectly predicted and any user reminding of this or praising Twitter / X and still likes using it gets downvoted. They will never admit to downvoting themselves.
> The reason I'm writing this is to intercept you going "downvoted for telling the truth" because what you are telling isn't the truth.
When faced with the harsh reality that Twitter / X is still running after 2 years of a prediction of its collapse perhaps that truth hurts many folks here the most.
You are missing the fact that, for many of us who used to enjoy Twitter in exactly the way you described, X no longer fills that need, because the subject matter experts whose real-time thoughts we used to follow have left the platform, and all that remains are people whose real-time thoughts we don't generally want to hear.
That may differ from your experience - your real-time expert community might be different than mine.
But for a lot of us who actually used to enjoy Twitter, what you're describing is no longer to be found there.
Nah, you're probably wrong about HN users not knowing how to use Twitter. You're assuming the worst - perhaps assume that people have good reasons for avoiding it and ask what those might be?
I have about 5k followers on Twitter and have posted roughly 10k tweets over the last 16 years of having an account there. I'm pretty familiar with how to use it. I've moved to mastodon - the part of Twitter I used to value is a dumpster fire, many of my colleagues have moved, and I don't want to contribute to monetizing hateful garbage. And that includes preferring not to log in, which means threads don't show up any more. So it was nitter or nothing.
I used to use Twitter and I simply disagree with it being more useful than HN. I suppose it depends on the focus of content you want to learn or read about
For me it's the abysmal SNR no matter where I look, except if it absolutely needs to be real-time. Even considering just the "content" and ignoring the unfathomable interface that we're left with now.
It’s HN. Everyone here has encountered many true believers who, when confronted with a criticism of their favorite tool, responds “well, you are using it wrong. Change your workflow to match mine, which is superior anyway, and then you’ll see.”
It’s tiresome, and I for one have little patience for someone patronizingly suggesting that I'm being stubborn for refusing to allow them to enlighten me.
Is that what you were doing? Maybe not. But you certainly matched my regex, so to speak.
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1) There are people who dislike E. Musk but you can't know whether the downvoters are those people or not.
2) Twitter hasn't shutdown, but you can't know if that's connected to the downvotes.
3) Same as 2)
4) You can't know that the parent was downvoted for happily using Twitter.
For something which claims to be "the reason and reality", it's really "things I imagine are the reason without evidence, because that lets me feel superior to strawHN users". The reason I'm writing this is to intercept you going "downvoted for telling the truth" because what you are telling isn't the truth.
> For something which claims to be "the reason and reality", it's really "things I imagine are the reason without evidence, because that lets me feel superior to strawHN users".
By inspecting the greyed out comments and its content, you can find your evidence of this by simply seeing more of the flagged / dead comments supporting Twitter / X. No explicit admitting is needed.
Thus, this is indeed an over-reaction to the four facts and given the HN sentiment has already been cemented to detest the fact that Twitter / X did not shutdown as incorrectly predicted and any user reminding of this or praising Twitter / X and still likes using it gets downvoted. They will never admit to downvoting themselves.
> The reason I'm writing this is to intercept you going "downvoted for telling the truth" because what you are telling isn't the truth.
When faced with the harsh reality that Twitter / X is still running after 2 years of a prediction of its collapse perhaps that truth hurts many folks here the most.
I'm guessing
1) HN readers don't like Elon Musk (I don't like him either) so they don't like Twitter
2) I implied HN readers are doing something wrong (as any other human being, they don't like being told that)
3) I (slightly) insulted the intelligence of HN readers by saying they didn't know how to use Twitter and they really don't like that
I've just gotten downvotes and no one's responded with any actual rebuttals so I don't think what I've posted is wrong.
You are missing the fact that, for many of us who used to enjoy Twitter in exactly the way you described, X no longer fills that need, because the subject matter experts whose real-time thoughts we used to follow have left the platform, and all that remains are people whose real-time thoughts we don't generally want to hear.
That may differ from your experience - your real-time expert community might be different than mine.
But for a lot of us who actually used to enjoy Twitter, what you're describing is no longer to be found there.
> because the subject matter experts whose real-time thoughts we used to follow have left the platform
Do mind naming 10 subject matter experts who've permanently left twitter?
I'm really curious as to which communities used to be vibrant on Twitter and then died after the X switch over.
Yeah, as you stated, my personal experience is that all the communities I follow continue to be active.
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Nah, you're probably wrong about HN users not knowing how to use Twitter. You're assuming the worst - perhaps assume that people have good reasons for avoiding it and ask what those might be?
I have about 5k followers on Twitter and have posted roughly 10k tweets over the last 16 years of having an account there. I'm pretty familiar with how to use it. I've moved to mastodon - the part of Twitter I used to value is a dumpster fire, many of my colleagues have moved, and I don't want to contribute to monetizing hateful garbage. And that includes preferring not to log in, which means threads don't show up any more. So it was nitter or nothing.
I used to use Twitter and I simply disagree with it being more useful than HN. I suppose it depends on the focus of content you want to learn or read about
For me it's the abysmal SNR no matter where I look, except if it absolutely needs to be real-time. Even considering just the "content" and ignoring the unfathomable interface that we're left with now.
It’s HN. Everyone here has encountered many true believers who, when confronted with a criticism of their favorite tool, responds “well, you are using it wrong. Change your workflow to match mine, which is superior anyway, and then you’ll see.”
It’s tiresome, and I for one have little patience for someone patronizingly suggesting that I'm being stubborn for refusing to allow them to enlighten me.
Is that what you were doing? Maybe not. But you certainly matched my regex, so to speak.
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