Comment by whimsicalism
2 years ago
> it does not matter that much, either you're America first or you agree with their foreign policy anyway on Ukraine
It does matter because you basically said "if you really cared about maintaining American unipolarity no matter the cost, you would be all in on Ukraine" - and I don't care about maintaining American unipolarity no matter the cost. A multipolar world is an inevitability.
> you advocate surrender to the same people who wish to destroy you. Weak.
Somehow I suspect that I am not the jingoistic nationalist here.
That was a hypothetical. I was just observing that the Ukraine war is amazing for US interests in a strictly Machiavellian, geopolitical sense. We Europeans are getting fucked over by the Russians, Ukrainians most of all and of course Russians are destroying themselves too for the sake of land (as if Russia hasn't got enough...). The USA is laughing here. I mention this because it's clear that it isn't a humanitarian issue for the US isolationists, they just don't want to spend the money (at least in theory, of course it's really all about domestic political tribalism and almost nothing to do with Ukraine for at least one side of the divide in the US), so I am speaking to them here on those terms.
>Somehow I suspect that I am not the jingoistic nationalist here.
Yes indeed how nationalistic of me to checks notes oppose wars of imperial conquest in Europe.