Comment by callalex
2 years ago
>it has nothing to do with spam or anything
What experience do you have to have gained this confident knowledge?
2 years ago
>it has nothing to do with spam or anything
What experience do you have to have gained this confident knowledge?
Would they be able to resist a secret court order?
Signal publishes their responses to court orders already: https://signal.org/bigbrother/.
Obviously doesn't include warrants they may have received where a gag order is in place, but you can see from the responses they do publish that they only store phone number, initial registration date, and last connection date.
They love to brag about the times when they were asked to hand over data and they had to tell the feds that they couldn't because that kind of data was never collected or stored in their systems in the first place. They still love to brag about it, but it's no longer true. They now collect and permanently store in the cloud exactly the kind of data that the police and feds were asking them to provide. Your name, your phone number, your username, your profile picture, and most importantly a list of everyone you have contacted with signal.
This is in direct opposition to the very first line of their privacy policy which lies when it states "Signal is designed to never collect or store any sensitive information." and they've refused for years now to correct that lie and update their policy to detail all the new data collection they're doing.
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I do love that the two responses to this question are a confident assertion that they surely wouldn’t do that and yours posting evidence they do.
this seems to have stopped in 2021?
At this point that's entirely unclear. Because they're keeping your data in the cloud my guess is that the US government can easily access that data and any other government can get anyone's data as long as they can guess the person's PIN. You can find a discussion on the problems with their security here: https://community.signalusers.org/t/proper-secure-value-secu...
Required reading:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf
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An order to what? Hand over a random phone number?
As if you can't get a whole lot of information on most people with just their phone number. The number of people whose Signal ID is built off a burner phone ad no longer traceable back to them is miniscule.
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No tech professional is going to resist people with legalized force showing up at their door.
That’s why you design a system that doesn’t require such info in the first place, if you don’t have it, nothing to hand over.
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In Sweden they have some spine to do this
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/4/20/mullvad-vpn-was-subjec...
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