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Comment by anonymoushn

1 year ago

It's amusing that the diversity-promoting prompt includes native Americans but excludes all other indigenous peoples.

It was extra hilarious when asked to generate a picture of ancient Greek philosopher it made it a Native American. Because it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans.

It really wants to mash the whole world to a very specific US centric view of the world, and calls you bad for trying to avoid it.

  • Reminds me of when black people in the UK get called African American by Americans. No they're neither African nor American

    It's an incredibly self-centered view of the world

    • My black African ex once chewed out an American who not only called her African American but "corrected her" after she referred to herself as black, in a very clear British received pronunciation accent that has no hint of American to it, by insisting it was "African American".

      And not while in the US either - but in the UK.

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    • I think it’s just that’s the word you’ve been taught to use. It’s divorced from the meaning of its constituent parts, you aren’t saying “an American of African descent” you’re saying “black” but in what was supposed to be some kind of politically correct way.

      I cannot imagine even the most daft American using it in the UK and intending that the person is actually American.

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    • I promise it's not because we think of people outside the US as American. When I was a kid in the 2000s, we were told never to say "black" and to say "African-American" instead. There was no PC term in the US to refer to black people who are not American. This has started to change lately, but it's still iffy.

      Besides that, many Americans (including myself) are self-centered in other ways. Yes I like our imperial units better than the metric system, no I don't care that they're called "customary units" outside the US, etc.

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    • That’s kind of funny. Chinese and Taiwanese transplants call natural born Americans, whether black, white or latin, “foreigners” when speaking in Chinese dialects even while they live in America.

      Oh, your husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend is a “foreigner”, ma?

      No, damnit, you’re the foreigner!

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    • Well, they're as "African" as "African Americans" are... OTOH, Elon Musk is a literal African American (as would be an Arab immigrant to the US from Egypt or Morocco), but can't be called that. So let's admit that such group labels are pretty messed up in general.

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  • That is not artificial intelligence, that is deliberate mucking with the software to achieve a desired outcome. Google is utterly untrustworthy in this regard.

  • > it is well known Greeks not only had contact with the new world but also had prominent population of Native Americans.

    I’m really surprised to hear this tidbit, because I thought Leif Erickson was then first one from the old world to do venture there. Did Ancient Greeks really made contact with the Native Americans?

    • It was a joke. Obviously there was no contact whatsoever between the two.

      Gemini basically forces the current US ethnical representation fashions to every situation regardless of how well it fits.

  • It's really revealing. You can pick apart the chatbot's biases with as many questions as you'd like. A real person would weasel out of that, especially a PR agent.

Also the images are almost bizarrely stereotypical in my experence.

The very specific background of each person is pretty clear. There's no 'in-between' or mixed race or background folks. It's so strange to look at.

  • The Village People AI. Gemini specializes in re-creating scenes featuring stereotyped Indian Chiefs, firemen, policemen, and construction workers.