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Comment by aliasxneo

1 year ago

Quite the cultural flame war in this thread. For me, the whole incident points to the critical importance of open models. A bit of speculation, but if AI is eventually intended to play a role in education, this sort of control would be a dream for historical revisionists. The classic battle of the thought police is now being extended to AI.

> Quite the cultural flame war in this thread.

It's kind of the perfect storm, because both sides of the argument include a mixture of reasonable well-intentioned people, and crazy extremists. However you choose to be upset about this, you always have someone crazy to point at.

  • Well, it's not crazy extremist to say that there is a woke cult out there that hates white people, and wants to systematically suppress them. The same people ironically claim to be oppressed by white people as every major corporation and liberal politician lines up to do their bidding.

    • Someone being well-off, having power/wealth/influence, can still be a victim of racism and social marginalization. There's no irony or contradiction there.

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It’s absolutely genius. The model will insist that Columbus was black no matter what. And tomorrow he will be Chinese and there’s no contradiction there. Are you feeling okay? Would you like me to make a referral to a partner organisation for you? We care here at google.

No need to distance yourself from historical revisionism. History has always been a tool of the present powers to control the future direction. It is just licensed interpretation.

No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians.

  • > No one has the truth, neither the historical revisionists not the licensed historians

    This is a common claim by those who never look.

    It’s one thing to accept you aren’t bothered to find the truth in a specific instance. And it’s correct to admit some things are unknowable. But to preach broad ignorance like this is intellectually insincere.

  • No such thing as historical revisionism. The truth is that the good guys won every time. /s

  • That's not a fair representation of people who have spent their lives preserving historical truth. I'm good friends with an individual in Serbia whose family has been at the forefront of preserving their people's history despite the opposition groups bent on destroying it (the family subsequently received honors for their work). Inferring they are no better than revisionists seems silly.