Comment by PH95VuimJjqBqy
1 year ago
or, and this is a crazy thought, when someone pays for something they expect to have the right to do what they want with it. When a 3rd party is able to exert absolute control in hampering that ability, it becomes a problem.
you purchase a video game from your religious friend and they decide you shouldn't be allowed to play the game between 8pm and 8am and they have the ability to ensure you can't.
their ability to limit you isn't a social construct, it's as strongly bound as physical violence, and that's the problem.
> when someone pays for something they expect to have the right to do what they want with it
Where? When?
Say you own private property and a car. Does that mean you are allowed to leak diesel all over it? Most jurisdictions say no, in part because that affects your neighbours’ property values.
Ownership is not, and has never meant, absolute sovereignty. It’s a package of rights defined in terms of control. When we’re discussing amending what ownership means, giving the owner more control, it’s circular to start with ownership: you can do it. But it’s much more meaningful (and powerful) to talk about control.
it's telling that all of your counterexamples involve the government when the entire discussion is around what non-government 3rd parties are allowed to dictate.
Tesla is not the government. Toyota is not the government.
stop it.
> all of your counterexamples involve the government
I’m trying to avoid the miasma of conflicting rights. Somewhere in this thread I referenced a car spilling diesel on private land. This impact the value of neighbouring plots. On entirely private merits, the owner’s ability to operate their property, on their property, willy nilly, is curtailed.
Simpler, if more absurd example: someone’s pet or kid wanders on your property. This curtails what you can do, with your property on your property. You own both. But you don’t control everything which happens upon it.
Seizing on this distinction is immensely clarifying. It’s the difference between talking about computers in general and knowing the protocols.
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