Comment by hayst4ck

I think a union is a tool like a gun. A gun can be used to steal money. A gun can be used to keep your home safe. A gun can be used to protect your country from foreign invaders. The gun is amoral.

How do you stop a bad guy with a gun? Ironically, the people generally most anti-union know the answer to that question the best.

The police union demonstrates that unions work. They have completely removed police oversight and made officers exist generally above the law and provided incredible overtime pay. That is not an anti-union argument, that's a why the hell aren't you in a union argument.

Teachers unions are more complicated because teachers care more about the children than themselves and that creates a problem because in order to act in their own self interest by exercising union power they have to harm children and maybe even a generation of them. Of course one could also cogently argue that the general undesirability of being a teacher is and has been harming children for decades.