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Comment by ipaddr

2 years ago

Below are the limits per carrier. You are correct AT&T is 1m. The iphone has a limit of 200k which can be raised to 300k. Parent was correct.

https://www.infobip.com/docs/mms/message-types

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  • Now try sending to an at&t iPhone. By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage. That's inherently not a bad thing, and wouldn't matter if iMessage wasn't a platform gatekeeping/discrimination tool. I say discrimination because of the GenZ opinion on blue/green bubbles.

    •   Now try sending to an at&t iPhone.
      

      Why? Sending a message to a Google Voice number will always happen over SMS or MMS. iMessage does not work over GV. RCS does not work over GV. If you mean try receiving messages from an AT&T Android phone, sure, I've done that. No complaints, although AT&T seems to throttle the image size more than other carriers in my experience.

        By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage
      

      What? If I were sending messages to an iOS device directly it would go out over iMessage. Instead I chose to send a message via MMS to a Google Voice number where Google serves as the end device. iMessage does not work over Google Voice. There. Is. No. 200. Kilobyte. Limit. There's no gatekeeping, just shitty carrier MMS implementations.

  • Are you sending that to another iPhone? Trt exchanging text messages between an Android phone and an iPhone. It's completely broken. Apple wants to force Android users into iPhones so that their tect messages stop sucking, as if it's and Android issue.

    •   Are you sending that to another iPhone? 
      

      No, I'm sending them from an iPhone to Google Voice via MMS. iMessage does not work over Google Voice. All that an iPhone knows is that the Google Voice number is not an Apple device.

        It's completely broken.
      

      Yes. MMS implementations are terrible, just like carrier implementations of RCS.

         Apple wants to force Android users into iPhones so that their tect messages stop sucking, as if it's and Android issue.
      

      Repeat after me: Poor MMS implementations are not Apple limitations.

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    • Does the MMS protocol allow querying the receiving device capabilities? As far as I know it doesn't, and I don't know how else iOS would know the receiver is an android phone to be able to purposefully downgrade the experience just for them. Unless your theory here is that if a contact number is in your contacts list as ever being iMessage compatible that it will always use higher quality even when sending over MMS? That seems easily testable by sending to an iPhone over MMS, and then removing the contact from your address book and messages and sending again over MMS

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  • Their link references MMS not iMessage.

    How does Apple get around that MMS limitation?

    •   How does Apple get around that MMS limitation?
      

      They don't, nobody does. Android users exchanging high quality media are using RCS, iPhone users exchanging high quality media are using iMessage. Fanbois pinning the blame for this on Apple are missing the role of telcos entirely.

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