Comment by skilled
2 years ago
The Guardian has this story on the front page also, they were given details about it pre-publishing,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai...
And, personally, I think that stories like this are of public interest - while I won’t ask for it directly, I hope the flag is removed and the discussion can happen.
This is the now-flagged to death HN thread on the Guardian version [0]
I would hope they can be unflagged and merged, this appears to be an important story about a novel use of technology.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39917727
Yes. We've merged that thread hither.
There's another dupe thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39919109
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It's flagged now, too. It's all so tiring.
guardian references 972 as source for report. it's not like it's "the guardian" article
Yes, that's why we merged those threads into this one. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: Submitters: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Readers might still find it helpful to read both pieces, of course.
972 this is leftist "blog magazine" with questionably sourced material. while there might be some truth to core claim of automated system (which IDF confirmed that exists), rest of claims probably outcome of "broken phone". But everybody will use it as statement of undeniable fact in order to evolve as usual discussion into "genocidal Israel indiscriminately killing civilians in droves and performs ethnic cleaning and other countless war crimes" and downvote into oblivion everybody who will disagree with it.
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The Guardian does not easily reference some random source. There is some vouching involved, especially for a story like this.
Pretty disappointing that Guardian article also got quickly flagged after HN submission
The feeling I got during the last months here when there are articles about this war is, that there are either many Israelis here flagging anything that makes Israel look bad, or many Americans, who somehow feel allegiance to Israel and think that this ever was about a good cause.
On the other hand of course there are also those that jump on any claim that makes Israel look bad. Claims of which there are many. Of which far too many have become pretty evident. Which far too many people do not want to be true and will ignore.
So what can one do? I guess keep an open mind and give claims a couple of days to be proven or disproven. Only then judge.
The generally accepted terminology here is "pro-Zionist" and "anti-Zionist". There is a concerted effort to conflate "anti-Zionism" and "antisemitism" in public discourse. You're not imaginging things. It's part of an organized campaign generally called hasbara [1]. Articles or videos that don't suit this narrative are brigaded, flagged and reported (as you noted).
I say all this because to call it "Israeli" is inaccurate. For example, in the US Christian Zionists outnumber Jewish Zionists by at least 20:1. Many of those Christian Zionists themselves are antisemitic. This is another reason why our language here matters and we need to be precise with our termminology.
[1]: https://www.newarab.com/news/understanding-hasbara-israels-p...
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The astroturfing from pro-Israel parties on social media is incredible, but nothing beats the Reddit situation.
I was just browsing /r/ukpolitics just now, and it is mind boggling how many pro-Israel comments come from people that apparently are only commenting about that topic. No activity whatsoever on popular subs, on hobby subs, but instead their entire posting history is composed of months and months of tirelessly defending the state of Israel.
Sounds like work, and it seems that many forgot about the Mossad-operated propaganda farms that made the news a decade ago. Most people are so blind to propaganda that these fake personas do not even have to be particularly subtle about it.
It would be so easy to identify these paid state actors with some simple code, but I do not want to give ammunition to those other cretins that would use such a tool to target Jewish people as a whole; so I just notice the propaganda and move on.
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The flagging on this site is pretty crazy recently
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Don't think that's it.
Hn is pretty against flame wars and politics and that's what anything with Isreal Palestine in the title or content will devolve into.
Look at how the comments are going in those threads already. It's a mess
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