Genocide seems like a bit a stretch, but it is hard to tell. I would like to think that Israel is incapable of genocide, but at the very least it's clear they don't mind killing thousands of innocent people. Israel has done some truly inexcusable, horrific things.
I do sympathize with Israel. Israel is surrounded by countries that would like to see it wiped off of the map. Hamas has been attacking Israel from Palestinian territory for two decades. I'm glad that Israel exists and that the Jewish people have a home.
I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be a right answer, but Israel could at least show that it values human life.
> Israel is surrounded by countries that would like to see it wiped off of the map
Israel is occupying territories from 3 countries of those. Killing thousands. Initiated attacks in the past to conquer lands from another one (Egypt Sinai) and still occupying Palestinian lands (even if count 1967 borders) where there are 800k settlers/colonizers in west bank alone. And regularly bomb and kill civilians in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. It has WMD (remember the lie that Iraq get invaded under this claim because that is dangerous for the region)
Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
Most of isreali society origins are from Europe. They are victims of Europe refusing and kicking them outside. That doesn't make them victims in general.
The argument that the lands can be given back if there is a peace and recognition is bullshit. Israel have clear intend in annexation and the US is fine ans even recognized Golan heights as Israeli land. They settle their people in the occupying land. There is even companies and cabinet members discussing building new settlements in gaza after ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.
> Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
You're right. Israel isn't blameless; I did gloss over history although that wasn't really my intention. It has been the aggressor in the past.
Overall, I feel that Israel has to be aggressive just to survive in the environment. I'm not condoning what's going on today, but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring.
> If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
This is not a war. No matter how many times you use the word war it still doesn't make it true. Herding people and indiscriminately killing the same people is not a product of war.
There is also the part about proportional response which is glossed over with "they would do this to us", but forgetting we are doing this to them right now.
It's a very complicated situation.
Genocide seems like a bit a stretch, but it is hard to tell. I would like to think that Israel is incapable of genocide, but at the very least it's clear they don't mind killing thousands of innocent people. Israel has done some truly inexcusable, horrific things.
I do sympathize with Israel. Israel is surrounded by countries that would like to see it wiped off of the map. Hamas has been attacking Israel from Palestinian territory for two decades. I'm glad that Israel exists and that the Jewish people have a home.
I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be a right answer, but Israel could at least show that it values human life.
> Israel is surrounded by countries that would like to see it wiped off of the map
Israel is occupying territories from 3 countries of those. Killing thousands. Initiated attacks in the past to conquer lands from another one (Egypt Sinai) and still occupying Palestinian lands (even if count 1967 borders) where there are 800k settlers/colonizers in west bank alone. And regularly bomb and kill civilians in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. It has WMD (remember the lie that Iraq get invaded under this claim because that is dangerous for the region)
Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
Most of isreali society origins are from Europe. They are victims of Europe refusing and kicking them outside. That doesn't make them victims in general.
The argument that the lands can be given back if there is a peace and recognition is bullshit. Israel have clear intend in annexation and the US is fine ans even recognized Golan heights as Israeli land. They settle their people in the occupying land. There is even companies and cabinet members discussing building new settlements in gaza after ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.
> Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
You're right. Israel isn't blameless; I did gloss over history although that wasn't really my intention. It has been the aggressor in the past.
Overall, I feel that Israel has to be aggressive just to survive in the environment. I'm not condoning what's going on today, but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring.
> If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
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> And finishing this war also means civilian casualties. That's part of the very sad price.
Yes, of course. But, there are a _lot_ of civilian casualties. More than what seems necessary.
This is not a war. No matter how many times you use the word war it still doesn't make it true. Herding people and indiscriminately killing the same people is not a product of war.
There is also the part about proportional response which is glossed over with "they would do this to us", but forgetting we are doing this to them right now.