Comment by arromatic
7 months ago
Question : Why larry and brin not caring about it ? They built one of world's best and biggest company and it's dying . Even if they did not care about that , their money is still tied to google stock right ? That should raise some concern from them.
speculation: they care, they know the people involved, and think highly of them.
Larry & Sergey are only humans. They can get bamboozled by people just like anyone. And they are in a situation where the very best bamboozlers are trying to bamboozle them, all the time. The people "failing up" are, in some cases, the Lebron James's of bamboozlement.
It's quite strange to see very capable people fall for such types, but it happens, I've seen it - and everyone around saw it except the very capable person.
Pichai must be Grima Wormtongue tier bamboozler
No Vic Gundotra was Grima to Larry's Theoden.
There was a TGIF where prominent Search leaders (highest level of engineer, not management) openly asked Larry why we were being asked to compromise the quality of Google search to grow Google+ when GOogle+ was such a crappy and unpopular product. Larry just sort of lamely asked "can't you all get along" and then shortly afterwards, abdicated to Pichai (whose main skill was mainly to get all the SVPs to stop shivving each other in the quest to grow revenue). It was pretty clear that Vic had somehow convinced Larry through grima-style wormtonguing that social feed was the future for google, and Larry had fallen for it.
The difference being, there was no gandalf to come along and reinvigorate Larry.
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trained by the best at McKinsey
To be fair, he has increased the stock price.
(And created a product and company that is basically universally loathed)
I assume they use google search at least once after fall in quality and noticed it . Or maybe they got google search founder edition for Them. Edit : Does any one have email/twitter of larry/brin ? If you have can you try emailing them . Or is it public ? Gonna try emailing them
Purely speculation of course, but based on what they've been up to since letting go of the reigns of Google: because squeezing every possible drop of revenue out of the product helps fund the things they're now more interested in engaging in (self-driving, longevity, etc.)
The cynical assumption would be that they're just sitting on the extremely vast hoards of money and greedy for more. The (slightly) less cynical assumption is that their interest in Search nowadays is as a piggy bank for projects they consider more important.
Worth noting though the latter has long been the going assumption internally at Google: Search was the cash cow that funded Google's expeditions in finding the Next Big Thing. This plan has been complicated by the appearance that Google seems to not be terribly good at the kind of product execution that would lead them to the Next Big Thing.
Man they used to drop some awesome stuff: Google Maps, GMail (remember the hype over Gmail invites?), Google Earth... then they just stopped improving stuff and started releasing multiple versions of things and abandoned them all, over and over again. Very strange.
I was there around this time and remember the first time someone said out loud that they were doing project Z because "that's what will get me promoted". I argued until I was blue in the face that it was a bad idea, but they didn't care: they had their objective and knew how to get it. Unhappily, everyone was right: he got promoted and the project was an expensive failure.
My two cents is that Google has been consumed by its performance review process; the amount of money made by advancing dwarfed the amount of money made by making advancements, and as always the metric was the outcome.
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They could at least open source all the stuff on google graveyard which will give us so many awesome softwares . Sadly they are now now sitting on some random hard drives.
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Not that strange if you think about the nature of transformation Google went through. With time they grew, hired more administrative staff and executives with fetish for growth and shareholder value which caused a fundamental shift in incentives and they reduced themselves from an innovative tech shop to an ad selling business. Sad but common and as old as Jack Welch style capitalism where engineering excellence gives way to corporate greed.
This makes sense .
You get older, you lose the willpower and energy to fight the machine
They have enormous power, but they are now also up against vast armies of lawyers and executives and lobbyists who will whisper and whine in their ears all day
Do I, Larry Page, really want to deal with all of that with my failing health and depleting energy?
Page is only 50 and doesn't have any health issues that I know aside from his vocal cord thing 10 years ago
What are they whispering ? more profit or please rank my site or i will sue you .
They don't care about Alphabet/Google at all. They've fully moved on.
Even if Alphabet lost all its market value tomorrow, they've already cashed out enough of their stock to have thousands of lifetimes of money.
And they know exactly what’s happening. In 2006 they said,
“we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.”
http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-advertising-and-search-e...
I knew Google had jumped the shark when Larry and Sergey started trying to convert a Boeing jet into a corporate jet.
That was a couple of years before the rest of us started smelling smoke coming out.
I am unable to understand your comment . Can you please explain a little bit more ?
Their passion and energy used to go into organizing the world's information and presenting it to google users at an unprecedented cost.
Their passion and energy now goes into designing the most comfortable super jet for their free time.
[is OP's implication, i have no idea if it's true]
They have achieved Nirvana. And they have enough dough to last several lifetimes.
I can imagine this happening in many places: 1) Idealist phase. 2) Hype phase. 3) Novelty wears off = Leave. 4) Bean counter phase. 5) ???
What does it mean ?
I have long suspected there is more to it than that, the giveaway being that once you are in what is currently the Alphabet level executive group a fundamentally different set of rules and standards are applied compared to what is considered allowed in Google, and these two did not used to be so divergent. This is a far dirtier game than many want to accept.
Can you explain a bit more ?
They may be concerned, but what can they do? Google has poisoned the well, and the entire web is now a swamp of SEO driven drivel.
Forget about a "Jobs returning to Apple" miracle. As they say, "you can't get there from here". There's no easy path for Google back from the short term profit-driven corner they've painted all of us into.
The web is over now. Google first, AI later killed any incentive to create content for the open web
Perhaps you're talking about financial incentives. And if so, then perhaps you might be right.
But there are plenty of other incentives that AI hasn't touched at all.
I assume their wealth is not particularly tied to Google stock. Eggs, baskets etc.
they have much more money than they really need for everyday happiness.
100 billion (round figured) isn't a lot when you are going to create a new large company or invent fusion or fix climate .
I have impression they just enjoy their billioners lives, and do not have ambitions anymore. Also Larry has some sickness, so, maybe he has other life issues depending on his current condition.
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why are you assuming they care to do any of those things?
Maybe they know that the AI is going to destroy Google anyway, same as any other search engine, so why bother.
Concern why?
https://es.finance.yahoo.com/quote/GOOG/?guccounter=1&guce_r...