Comment by knallfrosch
9 months ago
My iOS/Safari is so bad, I have both Firefox and Chrome installed as a backup in case it doesn't work. They should start fixing Safari for real instead of adding Quirks.
9 months ago
My iOS/Safari is so bad, I have both Firefox and Chrome installed as a backup in case it doesn't work. They should start fixing Safari for real instead of adding Quirks.
I have bad news for you. On iOS, Firefox and Chrome use the same WebKit as Safari (because Apple doesn't allow third party browser engines on its App store).
Didn't they allow alternative engines recently?
They even have emulators now. Undoubtedly a change forced on them by the EU.
Apparently you are right, they do since around February on iOS 17.4. In the EU only.
https://developer.apple.com/support/alternative-browser-engi...
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So Microsoft got dragged through anti-trust hell for just bundling IE with Windows and letting you install whatever browser you wanted after that, but Apple gets away with literally banning you from installing the browser you want on your own device, but that's ok? Make it make sense.
MS went through anti-trust investigation for more than just bundling IE, and at the time commanded a much larger market share¹ of desktop computing than Apple do of the mobile market now.
But while your comparison is flawed, I agree with the assertion² that Apple should not be locking user choice like this. The EU agree too, hence Apple's immature little hissy fit nearly breaking their (already "not quite there") offline-first app support for EU users when they were told so.
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[1] Avoiding the word "monopoly" to pre-counter the sort of "well actually" responses I got about dictionary definitions last time I said something like this.
[2] Unless I'm reading you backwards and you are saying MS should have been able to like Apple currently do!
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They didn't totally get away with, the EU has set them to rights at least. It's just a shame they didn't use it as an opportunity to do the right thing globally at that point rather than sharding the market.
The Microsoft ruling in the US was that Microsoft was forcing third-party OEMs (Dell, HP etc) to ship Internet Explorer, not that they shipped it themselves.
As for the EU, they have already forced Apple to allow third-party browser engines under the DMA, as well as are forcing Apple to show a "browser ballot" like they made Microsoft do.
> Make it make sense.
Microsoft’s anti-trust lawsuit with the DOJ was 23 years ago. There are people working at Microsoft and Apple who weren’t even alive when that happened.
Times change.
The market shifted, and two decades passed. Most importantly the courts have been packed with jurists from the Federalist society, who are libertarian. As a result there are far more judges willing and able to throw out consumer protection cases such as what happened in the 90’s with Microsoft and IE.
what’s wrong with ios/safari? i don’t really ever have issues
Safari on MacOS is really nice, fast and offers everything I need... but every 3 months or so I stumble on a website that refuses to work at all - rendering looks off, buttons don't work etc...
Switching to Chrome usually fixes it - but I always question my sanity for about 10 minutes until I try it in Chrome.
It’s the opposite for me. I keep finding dumb bugs in Chromium, when it comes to correct website rendering and event handling (always regressions). Safari and Firefox on the other hand never have those issues.
The only problem is: Safari has piss-poor ad blockers. Firefox blocks custom system-wide keyboard shortcuts (on Mac).