Comment by insane_dreamer
2 years ago
Were any of these big achievements side effects of creating nuclear weapons? If not, then they're not relevant to the issue.
I'm not saying nothing else good happened in the past 70 years, but rather that the invention of atomic weapons has permanently placed humanity in a position in which it had never been before: the possibility of wiping out much of the planet, averted only thanks to treaties, Stanislav Petrov[0], and likely other cool heads.
> Were any of these big achievements side effects of creating nuclear weapons? If not, then they're not relevant to the issue.
I think so, yes. Resources are allocated in the most efficient way possible, because there are multiple actors who have the same power. Everyone having nuclear weapons ensured that no one wanted a war between the big powers, so resources were allocated in other areas as the big powers tried to obtain supremacy.
Initially they allocated resources, a lot of them, into the race for space, the moon, etc. Once that was own by US after the moon landing, and after the Soviets were the first in space, there was no other frontier, and they discovered they couldn't obtain supremacy by just being space without further advancements in technology.
Instead they developed satellites, GPS and communications in order to obtain supremacy through "surveillance". Computing power and the affordability of personal computing, mobile phones, Internet and telecommunications was a result of the above.
I would argue that the presence of nukes increased rather than decreased military spending. since nuclear war was not an option, the nukes being only a deterrent, big powers had to continue investing heavily in their conventional forces in order to gain or keep an upper hand.
> Were any of these big achievements side effects of creating nuclear weapons?
The cold aspect of the Cold War was an achievement. Any doubt this was due to creation of nuclear weapons and the threat of their use?
How do you think countries will behave if every country faces being wiped out if it makes war on another country?
To prevent catastrophe I think teaching your citizens to hate other groups (as is done today due to national politics) will become dangerous and mental illness and extremist views will need to be kept in check.
> How do you think countries will behave if every country faces being wiped out if it makes war on another country?
As I recall it, that was what Skynet was supposed to be for.
The Cold War doesn’t mean there was no conflict. Both sides supported various proxy wars around the world. They just did not enter into _direct_ military conflict with each other. That may be because they had nukes but it could also be that direct conflict would mean massive casualties for either side and it’s not like either side wanted to destroy the other, just gain the upper hand globally.
So I for one don’t accept the argument that nukes acted as “peacekeepers”.
That proxy wars occurred during the Cold War, one can argue that these conflicts were actually a result of nuclear deterrence. Unable to engage directly due to the threat of mutually assured destruction, superpowers instead fought indirectly through smaller nations. This could be seen as evidence that nuclear weapons did prevent direct conflict between major powers. Also history shows that nations have engaged in extremely costly wars before. World War I and II saw unprecedented casualties, yet nations still fought. Nuclear weapons introduced a new level of destructive potential that went beyond conventional warfare. And there were periods of extreme tension, like the Cuban Missile Crisis, where nuclear war seemed imminent. The very existence of massive nuclear arsenals suggests that both sides were prepared for the possibility of mutual destruction.
You can question the role of nukes as peacekeepers but I think the case for nuclear deterrence keeping the peace is strong. Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is widely credited as a key factor in preventing direct conflict between superpowers during the Cold War. The presence of nuclear weapons forced them to pursue competition through economic, cultural, and technological means rather than direct military confrontation. “Race to the moon” being one such result.