Comment by pessimizer
1 year ago
> Censoring isn't the same as investigating the use of bots and fake news to spread rumors and lies for polítics gain and literal profit.
I don't understand this post. Censoring is when a government official issues orders to publishers requiring them not so publish things. Whatever else you're talking about here you're simply using as a rationalization for censorship.
You have to know that you're being dishonest when the subject is a judge ordering publishers to unpublish and silence people, and you immediately equivocate between that and "investigating," then accuse "the right" of trying to confuse "their crimes" and "free speech." You're literally doing that right now. You are somehow explaining away literal and explicit censorship orders (that no one is claiming don't exist) as "investigation" of "their crimes."
Someone making a profit publishing links that are fake but get lots of clicks or youtube lives isn't using their freedom of speech, they are criminals committing crimes for profit.
You're correct that censoring this wouldn't be considered censorship colloquially, but academically and in legal circles it absolutely is censorship.
In everyday language, when we say "censorship", we only mean the bad kind of censorship. On Hacker News and other places that discuss these topics more in-depth, many use the term more academically, leading to a neverending stream of confusion in the replies every time without fail.
Similar story for the term "democracy", which has a large number of meanings depending on who you're talking to. In this tree there's again people arguing about which specific examples are considered democratic without having even agreed on a common definition of the term.
What is the crime being committed? Lying? Is that a crime?
They’re literally using their freedom of speech. Not sure what else you would call it.
When you lie about something serious like saying that the judge in question was locked in jail or that the ex-president Bolsonaro approved a military intervention[0] while millions of people are pissed because their candidate lost an election, that's not just lying. The people telling the lies know it is not true but push it anyway. It is beyond that those people respond criminally for that.
0. https://i.em.com.br/Fpd82XCP-00L-3N2yGZxALIPPqA=/820x0/smart...