Comment by jraph
1 year ago
> and earning some crypto
You are not answering my main concern. Again, you snick in crypto into the discussion. Why?
We have decentralized stuff. Email, xmpp, matrix, the fediverse, all this works without this web3/crypto stuff. Those things are not perfect, including their decentralized aspect (sometimes to the point of doubting that decentralization really works well, although I personally think decentralization is a good thing).
I didn't downvote you but I suspect this is exactly why you are being downvoted. Since you asked. Many of us just think cryptos and this web3 stuff is bullshit and gets mentioned totally off topic without any convincing link to the discussion every single time.
Because crypto is literally how entities on a decentralized network get paid in an autonomous network. It's not via cash transfers. It's not via bank transfers. Or having accounts in some central bank.
Look at FileCoin and IPFS, for instance. Once you automate the micropayments and proofs of spacetime, it becomes a cryptocurrency. And then the providers of services can sell it to the next consumers.
Just because you hear the word "crypto" doesn't mean it's automatically off-topic, when it's literally the thing that is inevitably used by decentralized systems to do proper accounting and reward the providers for providing any services. Without it, you'll still be sitting -- as you are -- with no viable alternatives to Twitter and Facebook.
> Because crypto is literally how entities on a decentralized network get paid in an autonomous network
That doesn't ring true. What is an autonomous network? Those things runs on the internet, largely backed by infrastructure funded by traditional money. Moreover, emails, tor nodes, xmpp servers, matrix homeservers, fediverse hosts... None of those need cryptocoins to fund themselves, and are indeed largely and for the most part funded using traditional money. Micropayments are also not something needed for decentralization.
Decentralization is way more than just about decentralizing money and many of us don't trust crypto coins.
> it's literally the thing that is inevitably used by decentralized systems to do proper accounting and reward the providers for providing any services.
Or just like, advertisement. ActivityPub, Matrix, PeerTube, NextCloud and Urbit are all fully decentralized and let any instance host monetize themselves however they want.
Decentralized services, even for-profit ones, are not synonymous with cryptocurrency. Stop spreading misinformation to promote an unrelated topic.
Urbit uses NFTs as IDs, which can be transferred
"Urbit IDs aren’t money, but they are scarce, so each one costs something. This means that when you meet a stranger on the Urbit network, they have some skin in the game and are less likely to be a bot or a spammer." https://urbit.org/overview
Who pays for the hosting of ActivityPub and Matrix instances?
What if one instance abuses other instances too much? How do you prevent it?
What if some spammer abuses Nexcloud? Oh, look at that, Nextcloud and Sia announce "cloud storage in the blockchain": https://nextcloud.com/blog/introducing-cloud-storage-in-the-...
Now we come to your ActivityPub stuff, including PeerTube. The question is, who pays for storage? What are the economics of storage?
I literally go into detail here: https://community.intercoin.app/t/who-pays-for-storage-nfts-...
I met the founders of LBRY / Odysee and other tokens that are actually being used for actual streaming. LBRY is a genuine utility token being used for instance.
You are totally ignoring the part that people need to get paid for storing stuff, and at the same time the payment needs to happen automatically.
Any other examples?
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