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Comment by maelito

15 hours ago

Bike lanes are everywhere in most big cities in France too... But they're bad, very bad.

We desperately need this principle of elevated bike lanes that cars should be worried to cross.

I have code an open-source framework to assess the cyclability of territories : https://villes.plus

It only takes into account quality bike lanes, based on OSM data, run every trimestre.

For instance, painted bike lanes or shared bus lanes are excluded.

Amsterdam's score is around 90 %.

The best French city, Strasbourg, has around 45 %. There is some inherent variability as each run takes random points among a data set to build the segments to be tested.

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lqet  15 hours ago

> Bike lanes are everywhere in most big cities in France too... But they're bad, very bad.

We once cycled from Germany to Colmar in France. Cycling through Colmar is indeed a scary experience, especially if you have a trailer with a small child in it: https://maps.app.goo.gl/wJU4GLWrmqF9EDes8

Of course it isn't much better in Germany.

  • david-gpu  15 hours ago

    > Cycling through Colmar is indeed a scary experience, especially if you have a trailer with a small child in it

    I don't mean to detract anything about what you just said.

    At the same time, my first thought when I clicked on the link was something like: "Woah, that is pretty nice; a painted bike lane and a single narrow main lane each way so cars can't go very fast".

    We have a long way to go for most of North America to become friendly to cyclists.

    • lqet  14 hours ago

      > We have a long way to go for most of North America to become friendly to cyclists.

      Also for pedestrians, in my experience. When I first visited the US 10 years ago, I wanted to leave the hotel to get to a nearby public transit stop to go into town. On the map, it was a distance of around 500m from hotel to transit stop (Market Center in Dallas). But getting there was quite an ordeal. This was the pedestrian walkway: https://maps.app.goo.gl/gvduBGYMQfxSVxcFA, it ended in a dirt path by the side of the road after a few meters. There was a better walkway on the other side of the road, but it was impossible to safely cross it without walking for nearly 700 meters into the other direction.

    • trompetenaccoun  14 hours ago

      The way this looks it could be more dangerous than having no bike lane at all. Drivers will see this as a sign that the big lane belongs to them. Bike riders must expect someone in the parked car to unexpectedly open the door at any time and hit them. There have been many deadly accidents where bike riders got "doored" just like that. Also imagine you have two trucks crossing paths and bikes on the side. Or a trailer with a child like the user said.

      That bike lane is a nightmare.

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    • mytailorisrich  14 hours ago

      > and a single narrow main lane each way so cars can't go very fast

      You're underestimating French drivers here ;) . Also on that picture the main lane is not considered narrow at all in France/Europe, it's quite comfortable to speed.

      The only way to limit speed is speed cameras and speed bumps (both are also becoming ubiquitous in the UK).

      China is what I imagine the US with bike lanes would look like.

  • maelito  15 hours ago

    Remember that the east of France is considered the top place to cycle... Well except Paris and its recent revolution.

    • lqet  15 hours ago

      I agree, the bike infrastructure in Paris is now quite good. If only cyclists in Paris would start to stop at red lights, especially at pedestrian crossings (this is a problem everywhere, of course, but in Paris it seems to be particularly bad).

simgt  15 hours ago

I'm still failing to understand why the urbanism departments are so bad in councils of even our big metropolitan areas. We could just contract with corps like Copenhaguenize to get to the state of the art right away when rebuilding roads, but "on a des idées" so why not improvise? Or it's just corruption and favoritism...

Nice project though, might ping you for something related :)