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Comment by hintymad

5 months ago

> Taking resources away from those who move society forward

And those people do not even have to be geniuses or top students. Our society moves forward on the back of millions of ordinary people, yet those ordinary people, me included, would benefit most from a rigorous education system.

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laidoffamazon  5 months ago

lol, when people talk about these things they’re talking about the Lowell High kids that want to go to Yale, not normal people like me. Let’s be real here.

  • phil21  5 months ago

    No, I'm talking about regular kids who grow up in hard circumstances that just need an opportunity for a better life.

    This can mean a jump from working class to middle class and nothing more. That is absolutely driving society forward.

    Not offering a means out of "the shit" for these kids is a way to hold them down into the circumstances they were born into and nothing more.

    Zero kids I'm thinking of who went through these programs went to Yale or any other ivy. Most have great lives 20 years later, off the backs of that early opportunity for achievement.

    • laidoffamazon  5 months ago

      I really do not think the modal case of social mobility is people in G&T programs, which definitionally only target the top N% of students

  • hintymad  5 months ago

    I'm not. All I want is that students get trained rigorously. The last thing I want is as what NYT used to report: a straight-A student who dreamed to be a scientist couldn't even pass the placement test of a city college. That shows how irresponsible our school systems became.

    • laidoffamazon  5 months ago

      You said a few weeks ago that

      > As many countries demonstrated, wealth does not buy good genes. Talented kids stand out, as long as we have a decent public school system, which places a high academic standard and holds teachers accountable. That's how East-European countries and Asian countries produce high-quality students.

      What implications does this have for all students getting trained rigorously in the public school system? People that also speak of genes like Charles Murray say this is a fool's errand and that we should effectively just throw them off the ship.

      [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42118967

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