Comment by Rochus
1 year ago
> what the author plans to use it for
Thanks. I e.g. re-implemented the Smalltalk-80 VM in Luon (see https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk/), and I consider implementing an Interlisp VM (see https://github.com/rochus-keller/gingko/) which uses LuaJIT, which was an important motivation to interrupt my Micron language project to implement Luon.
Amazing that you also managed to implement Smalltalk besides Oberon and Luon - all of them with IDEs!
Wow!
And by the way the startup speed of the IFE is just insane! it is actually faster than my simple text editor!
One of the most delightful places I’ve used Lua recently is in TurboLua, which gives the Lua VM access to all the necessary signals/pipes for writing high speed network applications, among other things. (https://turbo.readthedocs.io/en/latest/)
Do you see there being a way to make a TurboLuon with current specs?
I don't use TurboLua, but I think it's feasible to build a Luon adapter module if need be. The necessary 'extern' keyword is already part of the spec.
The Interlisp VM sounds awesome - I would love to see Notecards on Windows/Linux/Mac natively!
What do you mean by "natively"? Ahead of time compiled, or just working? If the latter, the present VM is already available on the mentioned systems. In my version, Gingko, I additionally removed a lot of outdated code to increase platform independence.
nice! do you feel like oberon has something that gives it an edge over more currently popular languages, or is it just a matter of personal preference?
Actually, I only use original Oberon when I'm migrating the old Oberon systems. My interest lies in finding out how I would have to modify original Oberon to be as productive as I am used to with e.g. C++, but still adhering to the goal of simplicity. My version, which I call Oberon+ (and to which Luon is quite similar, whereas Luon is even simpler), goes in this direction.
Actually an "edge over more currently popular languages" from my humble point of view is the goal and maintenance of simplicity. The term is subjective, but if you look at many of today's completely overloaded languages, it is intuitive to understand.
I have to ask, "why?" in the spirit of if you're smart enough to write an Oberon on top of Lua and then use that to write a Smalltalk VM then you're certainly smart enough to get around a complicated language and tolerate a lack of some simplicity.
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