Comment by wslh
3 months ago
My 4 cents:
- I like the idea of a multiparadigm programming language (many exists) but where you can write part of the code in a different language, not trying to embed everything in the same syntax. I think in this way you can write code and express your ideas differently.
- A [social] programming language where some variables and workflows are shared between users [1][2].
- A superreflective programming language inspired by Python, Ruby, and others where you can override practically everything to behave different. For example, in Python you can override a function call for an object but not for the base system, globals() dict cannot be overriden. See [3]. In this way you save a lot of time writing a parser and the language basic logic.
- A declarative language to stop reinventing the wheel: "I need a website with a secure login/logout/forgot_your_password_etc, choose a random() template". It doesn't need to be in natural language though.
[1] https://blog.databigbang.com/ideas-egont-a-web-orchestration...
[2] https://blog.databigbang.com/egont-part-ii/
[3] https://www.moserware.com/2008/06/ometa-who-what-when-where-...
Egont sounds a bit like SQL, no? A social way to share data and work with it ... a shared RDBMS where everyone has a user account and can create tables/share them with other users, built in security, etc. Splat a GUI on top and you have something similar.
Modern web frameworks are getting pretty declarative. If you want a basic web app with a log in/out page that's not hard to do. I'm more familiar with Micronaut than Spring but you'd just add:
and the relevant dependencies. Now you write a class that checks the username/password, or use LDAP, or configure OAuth and the /login URL takes a POST of username/password. Write a bit of HTML that looks good for your website and you're done.
https://micronaut-projects.github.io/micronaut-security/late...
> Egont sounds a bit like SQL, no? A social way to share data and work with it ... a shared RDBMS where everyone has a user account and can create tables/share them with other users, built in security, etc. Splat a GUI on top and you have something similar.
Yes, SQL or a global spreadsheet. I would say that it is like SQL plus a DAG or, we can imagine an aggregation of SQLs. The interesting thing is that parts of the global system are only recalculated if there is a change, like in a spreadsheet.
> a shared RDBMS where everyone has a user account and can create tables/share them with other users, built in security, etc. Splat a GUI on top and you have something similar.
We need a little bit more but not much more: security by namespaces and/or rows so the same database is shared but you can restrict who change what: your "rows" are yours. I think something like OrbitDB but with namespaces will be cool.
> Modern web frameworks are getting pretty declarative.
Yes but my proposal was at a higher level. I don't want to know what a cookie is when I just want to create a website. I am not saying that you can create complex components with this idea but you can create common use cases.