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Comment by lenerdenator

4 days ago

Oh, you could probably make some effective arguments that they're using it to influence American thought in a way that's designed to diminish the US as a world power through internal strife.

Israel/Hamas would probably be an example.

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spencerflem  4 days ago

Its clear to anyone that's looking that what's happening in Gaza is a genocide

  • grumple  4 days ago

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    • ignoramous  4 days ago

      > No, it really isn't.

      I wonder what you know about Genocide better than experts in Holocaust studies and other genocides themselves.

        William Schabas, author of the 741-page textbook, "Genocide in International Law" - says it's a genocide in Gaza. 

  John Quigley, author of the 300-page book, "The Genocide Convention: An International Law Analysis" - says it's a genocide in Gaza. 

  @martinshawx, author of the books "What is Genocide?" and "War and Genocide" - says it's a genocide.   

  @dirkmoses, author of the 600-page book, "The Problems of Genocide" - says it's a genocide in Gaza. 

  Raz Segal, author of "Genocide in the Carpathians" - says it's a genocide in Gaza. 

  Amos Goldberg, author of books on Holocaust, says it's a genocide in Gaza 

  @bartov_omer, author of several books on Holocaust and genocide, says it's a genocide in Gaza.    
 
  But why to listen to the experts in law and genocide studies? Why to bother to read the extensive human rights reports? 

  Listen to @piersmorgan instead; he has a gut feeling.

      https://x.com/NimerSultany/status/1870761846497583323

      > This is war, this is how it goes.

      Yeah, war is how "I was just following orders" German troops justified killing 12m+ in concentration camps. Goebbels said, "The Jews are responsible for the war. The treatment they receive from us is hardly unjust. They have deserved it all." Don't be like Goebbels.

      > the 2 billion Muslims that hate Jews

      Yeah, well: I know a handful Muslims who married Jews.

      > and all you did was bitch on the internet, I'd be ashamed to know you

      Same.

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ToucanLoucan  4 days ago

I mean, I'm not on TikTok at all and Israel is committing a genocide. China didn't tell me that, the Israeli's killing Palestinians en masse told me that. Because that's what the word "genocide" means.

It seems to be if the US Government wants not to be associated with a genocide-committing country they should just... do that. TikTok might have the largest share of the pro-Palestine mood as it were, but like... it's on all the platforms. Because again... they're committing a genocide, and filming it.

  • LargeWu  4 days ago

    I would argue that even though you're not on tiktok, you are being influenced by the narrative that China is pushing. There are numerous genocides happening in the world today. Sudan. China (try talking about THAT one on TikTok...). Why aren't those being treated with equal concern? Because China knows that only the Isreal/Gaza one is a wedge in America, so they push that to sow discord.

    • spencerflem  4 days ago

      Which one is the US funding, and using UN vetos to continue?

      We're an active participant in, its not a surprise its the one we (USA ppl) care about.

    • ToucanLoucan  4 days ago

      > Why aren't those being treated with equal concern?

      I mean I can't speak to other people's experience, but as an American, I'm uniquely pissed off with the Israeli one because my tax dollars are paying for it, and because the White House could stop it at a time of their choosing, as they've done before.

  • grumple  4 days ago

    What makes this a genocide and not every other war where far more people, including more civilians, died? And at higher ratios of the dead? You can find hundreds of videos of Israel targeting militants, Hamas using schools and hospitals as bases, and more.

    Nearly a million died in the Iraq war. In a single battle, Mosul, almost as many were killed as in Gaza, including similar ratios of militants and civilians. In Ukraine, far more have been killed, both combatants and civilians - and Russia clearly targets civilians there, and they started the war (while Hamas started the Gaza war). In Syria, half a million died, mostly civilians. Ditto the Lebanese civil war. Ditto the Yemen-Houthi war.

    • ToucanLoucan  4 days ago

      This feels so obvious to explain that I can't help but feel like it's condescending, but a conflict is not a genocide, irrespective of it's death toll. If you looked up the definition:

      > the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

      Which is just 100% what Israel is attempting to do to Palestine, and they're not exactly being coy about it.

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