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Comment by lelandfe

4 days ago

If you feel that the national security angle is a farce, do you similarly feel that the DoD banning TikTok on government systems was just for show? https://defensescoop.com/2023/06/02/pentagon-proposes-rule-t...

The DoD banning an app on their network is a lot different than banning it competely in the US. I would think DoD should ban most apps connecting to their networks that aren't work related. I feel this whole effort is either in bad faith or isn't being transparently communicated to the public.

  • They famously failed to ban strava and some military assets were unintentionally disclosed on the strava heatmap by soldiers logging their cardio jogs through facility hallways.

  • Except there was never a discussion of banning TikTok the app. Which is why a sale of the app was always an option.

NatSec should not even be needed. A simpler reason could be that China bans foreign social media apps from operating in China, so Chinese apps should be treated as such.

  • Reciprocity is not a good idea. Why would we want to copy every bad foreign law?

    • > Reciprocity is not a good idea.

      Sometimes it is. Especially, if an adversary is bad to you, you should not be good to him. You should be equally bad, or sometimes worse.

      That's how wars are won. Those who are nice to enemies because of "values" get crushed by the ruthless opponents.

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    • Reciprocity is a great idea. It takes the emotion out of the decision: we don’t allow X from Y because Y doesn’t allow X from us. It makes sense for trade at least.

      Then there is no need to find another excuse that might be offensive.

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  • The difference is, of course, that only one of those countries CONSTANTLY bangs on about being the "free" world, about "free" markets, about how not saying the n-word is censorship etc.

    In short, it's only hypocritical for one of those countries.

    In both cases though, for normal citizens your own country and it's companies are far more dangerous than some random country halfway across the globe.

    • China is a foreign sovereign country.

      "USA is a free country" does not refer to China. "The free world" does not refer to China.

It was not for show. It acknowledged its success and was to limit its success. Then limit it as a "potential" vector for intrusion. Kaspersky was removed from the US on the same basis.

  • Don't mobile apps have severely limited permissions compared to Kaspersky?

    • Tiktok has access to photos and videos on the device, and user data on interactions. This was seen as a vector for compromising the individual's integrity via embarrassment and blackmail.

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