Comment by Thiez
4 days ago
Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.
I ask because it’s not something you generally see. Even your statement added an ellipsis as punctuation.
But no matter; the parent comment was updated and they clarified their opinion by adding “good”.
"But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state,"
How exactly does killing over 200 people at a concert and parading the body of a woman like a hunting trophy and killing the parents of a 6 month old baby and then abducting that baby accomplish this?
They murdered 1,000 civilians in cold blood. They raped, kidnapped and sacked indiscriminately. Arab, Jew, Druze, Thai guest worker. Then they rained missiles indiscriminately on towns and had the gall to complain about getting bombed and besiged.
Let's be clear here: The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband. Hamas deliberately targets civilians and always has, murdering them in cafes, shuls, buses, community centers and hotels around the world .
The mass coordinated rape campaign narrative has been widely debunked.
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The atrocity propaganda of "mass rape" has already been refuted and "1000" civilians is not true either: "A total of 630 hospitalized casualties (277 civilians and 353 soldiers) suffered from gunshot wounds (90%), explosion-related wounds (19%), and multiple injury mechanisms (16%)." [The Israel National Trauma Registry (INTR), which aggregates data from all 7 level-I trauma centers (TCs) and 16 level-II TCs in Israel, was the data source for this study]
You're even labelling IDF soldiers as "civilians" and including the IDF's kill count of its own people in there.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-ma...
>The IDF may have committed war crimes by not being careful about targeting or cancelling convoys that had contraband
"May have" is the understatement of the century, the modus operandi of the IDF is based on warcrimes that amounted to Genocide[1]. And the notion that the IDF supposedly doesn't intentionally target civilians is pure denial: "The Biden administration has quietly continued to supply arms to Israel. Last week, however, President Joe Biden publicly acknowledged that Israel was losing international legitimacy for what he called its “indiscriminate bombing.”[2], "Israel/OPT: New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Gaza causing mass civilian casualties amid real risk of genocide"[3] "Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza"[4]
This is only a fraction of the evidence proving that Israel targets civilians intentionally and most of these are from months ago. Israel's brazen murder of civilians became even more unhinged after that.
[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-c...
[2] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-military-campaign...
[3] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-ne...
[4] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evide...
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Not pro Hamas here- but the IDF has done Far Far Far Far more than you say.
They have deliberately targeted hospitals without evidence, destroyed 2/3rds !! Of all buildings, residential or not, displaced nearly the entire population, block much of the incoming aid, have a terrible record with regard to torture and abuse of the hostages they take, have killed clearly marked journalists, have permanently settled Palestinian land and so on and so on. To the point that Holocaust Scholars and Humanitarian Organizations are willing to call the entire thing a Genocide.
Do you remember when the IDF shot their own hostages, unarmed, carrying a white flag, because they thought they were Palestinian? They do not care about civilian lives any more than militant ones.
At which point is this whataboutism
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> Also Israel is not genocidal or apartheid (see: the Arab populations that live in Israel with Israeli citizenship)
Did this argument work for White Rule South Africa? It wasn't an apartheid state as non whites had South African citizenship?
The currrent AI view on your assertion is that:
That kind of zeitgeist summary is drawn from multiple sources, eg: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citize...
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