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Comment by npn

3 days ago

How many square kilometers of land does Israel gain this time?

You are aware, I hope, that Israel pulled back from Gaza completely in 2005, and from Sinai in 1980?

It’s been growing smaller since 1973 (and never technically annexed any area it did temporarily take in a war)

  • That's not correct. Here is a map of how the West Bank settlements have grown over the years, from 1967 until 2024: https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-t...

    • You are aware, I hope, that Gaza is not in the West Bank?

      The west bank has borders with Jordan and Israel.

      Gaza has borders with Egypt and Israel.

      Israel indeed never pulled from the West Bank, and sadly, it does let settlers live there. But it did not grow the taken area. And when Israel pulled from Gaza, it removed the settlers.

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  • Is that true though, given that Israel informally takes over more and more of the West Bank? The settlers...

    • Yes, that is true that Israel pulled back from Gaza completely in 2005, removing its settlers in the process.

      Gaza and the West Bank are distinct.

      Israel never pulled back from the West Bank, but that part of the occupation is the same size as it was in 1967. The West Bank occupation did not grow smaller (nor did it grow larger - it's the same size). Sadly, Israel does let settlers settle there, but if an agreement is ever reached, they will likely be removed like those in Gaza.

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  • I don't think the Palestinians expelled from the West Bank by Israeli settlers agree with that

    • Can you find, on the map, an area which was not occupied by Israel in 1968, but was occupied on Oct 6 2023 (before the Hamas attack on Israel which prompted Israel's re-occupation of Gaza in 2023-2024?)

      Some are being relocated inside the West Bank, which is horrible, heinous and possibly a war crime, but they remain within the (occupied since 1967) west bank.

  • Israel invaded Syria in 1967, stealing land, and they just pushed farther into Syria, stealing even more land. How is this growing smaller?

  • > growing smaller since 1973

    Propaganda machine at work, I see.

    Israel is clearing land in the West Bank to this day, even if they haven't "annexed" the land officially.

    But hey, according to their own maps it's already part of Israel, so yeah, you're right:

    https://www.gov.il/en/pages/topographical-map-of-israel

    • Israel is occupying the West Bank in the same way that it did since 1967. That occupation did not grow larger (or smaller).

      The policies are heinous, possibly war crimes.

      But Israel did also occupy Sinai and Gaza, and no longer does (well, it didn't until 7-oct-2023, at which point, Gaza opened a full fledged war which prompted Israel to re-occupy Gaza)

      It still occupies the West Bank, and may or may not continue to do so, may or may not annex it. Prediction is very hard, especially about the future.