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Comment by wqaatwt

3 days ago

> how do call

Whataboutism?

Both sides might be wrong and commit horrible acts at the same time.

However Israel can potentially change its policies (even if that’s unlikely).

Hamas OTH is just objectively evil. The fact that they have a fraction of the resources that Israel has does not change that.

> israeli atrocities are much

I guess a matter of preference. Would you rather be raped and tortured for months or die quickly after a bomb hits you?

This is pure Hasbara-style hyperbole - Hamas is not "objectively" evil, and there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months.

But if that's the standard you're using, then it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death. There is video evidence and hundreds of testimonies. The Israeli gov even debated on why it's OK to rape detainees, and when the police tried to step in and do something, Israeli citizens rioted - in favour of the rapists! Absolutely sick.

Israeli bulldozer drivers have bragged about driving over hundreds of Palestinians, both dead and alive. Israeli drones deliberately target children. Israel routinely designated areas as "safe", then bombs them. Israel has deliberately prevented humanitarian aid from reaching civilians. Israel routinely targets civilian infrastructure, including water storage facilities. Israel has destroyed almost every mosque in Gaza, just for fun. Israeli politicians spout the most vile genocidal BS on a daily basis. Israel has recently stolen yet more land in Lebanon and Syria. - and of course, Israel is still breaking the ceasefire in Lebanon, and even targeted UN peacekeepers. And of course, just before the Gaza ceasefire deal Israel went absolutely nuts bombing Gaza (even more than usual), just for the lolz. Oh, and Israel has weaponised antisemitism to silence critics of its genocidal, apartheid regime, and appears to have captured several western governments.

Israel is objectively an evil, apartheid regime, determined to spread islamophobia

  • > there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months

    Well there's a line.

    > it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death

    The fact that there are evil people on both sides (as well as people on both sides who are both not evil and have very valid arguments) seems to befuddle us. And by the way, you can take a stand on the war as a whole while conceding that neither party in this has behaved well, though both have behaved somewhat in step with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.

    • > The fact that there are evil people on both sides

      I only see evil from one side - Israel. The absolute depths of horror they have unleashed on the Palestinian people is unfathomable.

      > with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.

      Ah, so it's their own fault for being Arabs! No, and Israel is invariably the cause for war in the Middle East. And Hamas are not "insurgents" either.

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