Comment by JumpCrisscross
4 days ago
> there is zero evidence that Hamas have raped or tortured anyone for months
Well there's a line.
> it's a documented fact that Israel rapes and tortures detainees, often to death
The fact that there are evil people on both sides (as well as people on both sides who are both not evil and have very valid arguments) seems to befuddle us. And by the way, you can take a stand on the war as a whole while conceding that neither party in this has behaved well, though both have behaved somewhat in step with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.
> The fact that there are evil people on both sides
I only see evil from one side - Israel. The absolute depths of horror they have unleashed on the Palestinian people is unfathomable.
> with the precedent of warring states and Middle Eastern insurgents, respectively.
Ah, so it's their own fault for being Arabs! No, and Israel is invariably the cause for war in the Middle East. And Hamas are not "insurgents" either.
> I only see evil from one side
Then by (your own admission) you are a rather horrible (i.e. extreme/fundamentalist) person. If you purposefully decide to ignore or even justify atrocities committed by one side.
At least you have enough self-awareness to admit that which I guess is something…
> I only see evil from one side - Israel. The absolute depths of horror they have unleashed on the Palestinian people is unfathomable
If you're not seeing evil where an ICC prosecutor sees war crimes, you're probably biased. (That's totally fine if practical for you. And the ICC could be wrong. About everything. But it's a flag.)
> it's their own fault for being Arabs
What? I said Hamas are following the precedent of Middle Eastern insurgents. Tactically. Strategically. In their aims and the source of their weapons.
Hamas have been atrocious, both in the October 7 attack and in how easily they dismiss the destruction of Gaza, but no more so than e.g. Hezbollah. (Less so than ISIS or FARC.)
> Hamas are not "insurgents" either
Israel controls Gaza. Hamas are fighting Israel and hiding among civilians. That's insurgency. La Résistance were insurgents.
Breaking: killing kids[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16] including a NINE MONTH OLD BABY[17] not evil when done to Jews (never mind that some weren't)
Do you realize how contradictory you sound? It's one thing to say Israel is eviler. It's quite another thing to say Hamas isn't evil at all.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you are antisemitic or (willfully, there is no excuse for speaking as if you know and not knowing the first thing, not now, not with so much information easily available) blind.
[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/tamar-torpiashvili-9-an-angel-...
[2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/cousins-amin-jawad-malek-and-m...
[3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/yazan-abu-jama-5-bedouin-famil...
[4] https://www.timesofisrael.com/dana-48-carmel-15-bachar-mothe...
[5] https://www.timesofisrael.com/lianne-noiya-yahel-sharabi-48-...
[6] https://www.timesofisrael.com/refael-fahimi-63-netanel-maska...
[7] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ayala-73-liel-yannai-hetzroni-...
[8] https://www.timesofisrael.com/lior-tarshansky-15-maccabi-hai...
[9] https://www.timesofisrael.com/terrorists-murdered-entire-you...
[10] https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaniv-zohar-54-news-photograph...
[11] https://www.timesofisrael.com/carmela-80-noya-dan-12-savta-w...
[12] https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-members-of-even-family-sl...
[13] https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-members-of-even-family-sl...
[14] https://www.timesofisrael.com/kapshitter-family-murdered-on-...
[15] https://www.timesofisrael.com/itay-etti-and-sagi-zak-53-50-1...
[16] https://www.timesofisrael.com/mai-zuhair-13-faizah-abu-sabee...
[17] https://www.timesofisrael.com/yona-ohad-mila-cohen-73-43-10-...
Those deaths are tragic, and yes, one baby was killed which is particularly awful.
For many of those dead, we will however simply never know if they were slain by Hamas or the IDF[0] (as so many were), as Israel would not allow an investigation - an evil act, made doubly evil by the fabrication of all manner of vile attrocity porn (40 beheaded babies, babies on washing lines, mass rapes etc) to gain consent for a genocidal response.
So yes, of course those deaths are terrible, but history didn't start on October 7th, you have to look at the decades of land theft, dehumanisation, torture, rape, murder and bombing at the hands of Israelis. Israel's response was to act like Israel: more murder, more torture, more rape - and on a truly unfathomable scale. Israel has wrought a holocaust upon Gaza, and the West Bank hasn't been spared either.
And no, criticising an apartheid state publicly undertaking the most foul atrocities imaginable - at industrial scale, mind - does not an antisemite make.
[0] https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-killed-hun...
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