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Comment by ignoramous

3 days ago

> it's about security

Dig up WW2 German propaganda. It is the same hysteria around "security" aka "If we Aryans don't genocide, all the bad non-Aryans will genocide us".

> What I think is clear is that Israel is not obligated to go easy on Hamas just because Hamas is economically and militarily weak.

Not what the International Law Israel is signatory to, says. Besides, you'd do well to recall that NATO imposed a no-fly zone over Libya so that Gaddafi wouldn't bomb the living daylights out of the rebels who didn't have an Airforce to counteract. And we all know, NATO did no such thing for Palestinians.

> Personally I think killing is justified in self defense

Whatever the current campaign is, it has wretched far beyond "self-defense": https://www.regthink.org/the-day-of-today/

> Being oppressed doesn’t automatically make you right

That it may not, but the Oppressor is by definition in the wrong.

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HDThoreaun  3 days ago

The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria. It is a fact that Palestinian militants have committed terrorism against Israelis and they plan to continue to do so at every given opportunity. The same can not be said for the Jews in Germany(nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has). A bit confusing to me that you can’t see the obvious difference between lies and fact.

Unfortunately the Palestinians have left the Israelis with the options of “oppress the Palestinians” or “be the victim of terrorist attacks”. I don’t think they’re wrong for choosing to be safe.

  • ignoramous  3 days ago

    > The Israeli security narrative is not hysteria

    "Settlements is security" is in fact a restraint on Palestinian part, while settlers/govt/IDF continue to ramp up the ante.

      This article examines the choice made by the Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since October 7, 2023, not to rise against the increasing oppression by the Israeli settlers, military, and government.

  This choice, to which the Israeli public and professional discourse appears to be completely blind, is particularly surprising against the backdrop of the dramatic events of the past year.

    https://www.regthink.org/en/fanon-west-bank/

    > Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign

    Now that they rule the land, they don't. There's no need for "terrorism" as "militarism" has long replaced it. Back in the day, Irgun/Lehi, by all measures, were every bit Fascist terrorists themselves: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/terror-o...

  • tsimionescu  3 days ago

    > nor the Jews in Israel either, they have by and large not committed to a terrorism campaign like Hamas has

    Israelis have killed at least an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians ever killed Israelis, even before the 7th October war, even counting the 7th October war crimes by Hamas.

    The fact that Palestinians do this with bomb cars while the Israelis do it in uniform and with sniper rifles or planes doesn't change anything about who the real threat to whose security is.