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Comment by throwawaysleep

15 hours ago

I’ve heard of such models, but the problem is apparently maintaining quality (from the people I know who have tried this).

Drivers often need firing. How would a co-op approach that?

> Drivers often need firing.

Do they? The taxi companies in my small tourist town don't seem to have problems with reliable drivers. Makes me think that there is a retention problem with Uber-style work environments more than an inherent problem with people who drive for a living.

  • Let me speak as someone who was a delivery driver for over 10 years for an array of different restaurants.

    With advent of ubiquitous GPS navigation came a wave of some the dumbest most functionally inept people I have ever encountered. There was a time when you had to be able to read a map and plan routes. But as soon as GPS showed up, anyone who could drive and enter and address in their phone was good to go making way more than other high school dropout work.

    The biggest issue though is drug addicts. Lots and lots of drug addicts. It's an easy money job that you can smoke up/snort up/shoot up while doing. These guys are shameless and will be high off their ass driving around.

“Drivers often need firing.” – is that a given fact or would a small coop perhaps do better selection and/or training of drivers to create a high retention? This is a recurring scheme of cooperatives as well: longevity and people-centric thinking. While the standard business might toss out people without thinking twice, coops might approach these kinds of issues with more creativity and resourcefulness.

  • > would a small coop perhaps do better selection and/or training of drivers to create a high retention?

    This is wishful thinking. They might reduce the amount of firings needed, but you can't spot in advance all the people who will slack off or cause problems given the chance. Not unless you're a literal god.

    • It’s not just about hiring people who care to begin with, but caring for the business is much more natural if you’re a co-owner and can directly benefit from the organization’s success. Compare that to the gig economy where workers are worn down, paid as little as possible, and thrown out at a whim. In worker-owned businesses, workers are more motivated and more retained (there are also studies around this, afaik).

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  • If you don't have a large pool, you can't provide convenience.

    When I order an Uber, I want it now. I won't be waiting 1hr for it.

    • As a counterpoint, living in a remote area, scheduling a ride 1h in advance is a lot better than not having a ride at all; that would be plenty to e.g. drop my car off at a mechanic / pick it up, without begging for rides.