Comment by ignoramous
13 hours ago
> Lol, you're clueless, I served in Nahal Hareidi myself.
That's not me sanctioning the Nahal Haredi citing activity akin to torturing civilians, but the US Government. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-israeli-ne...
> was directly ordered to NEVER attack civilians
You should know that "direct orders" are rarely given?
> even if you go to the absolute extreme right
I mean, haven't they long proclaimed, "better a living Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint"? https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162 I'd not go bat for them, if I were you.
> It's a rational point, and he didn't have good solutions, he merely pointed out that the most peaceful logical solution was cooperative resettlement of Arabs outside of Israel. Not forced. I am not saying I agree with his policy, I am saying it was not one of genocide.
Btw, the leader of the Third Reich started with the intention to ethnically cleanse before Himmler lodged a different plan. Besides:
The perpetrators of genocide ... try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims.
Acts of genocide are disguised as counter-insurgency if there is an ongoing armed conflict or civil war. Perpetrators block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force ...
During and after genocide, lawyers, diplomats, and others who oppose forceful action often deny that these crimes meet the definition of genocide. They call them euphemisms like "ethnic cleansing" instead. They question whether intent to destroy a group can be proven, ignoring thousands of murders ...
https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages
> Just another antisemite...
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> That's not me sanctioning the Nahal Haredi citing activity akin to torturing civilians
What are you talking about? Read the article you linked to. A single detainee had a heart attack and the accusation is about using zip ties and a gag. Zip ties are absolutely normal. A gag is a bit much but there are situations in the field where it's reasonable. On top of that there were internal investigations done by the IDF because no unit is above the law or policy of the army which is absolutely NOT about genocide or anything near it. It is shameful that you try and cite this as though it were something more damning than it is.
> You should know that "direct orders" are rarely given
I am telling you what my direct orders were throughout training and in the field. I had very clear instructions of protocol about minimizing violence, frankly at the risk of our own lives even under threat from an armed enemy.
> Btw, the leader of the Third Reich started with the intention to ethnically cleanse...
What a ridiculous jump! Rabbi Kahane had a legitimate point about the incompatibility of Western democracy and a thoroughly Jewish state of Israel. He advocated for peaceful resettlement and very much wanted good relationships between a Jewish State of Israel and the neighboring Arab/Muslim countries. Again, I am not saying I agree with his solutions, but objectively he was pointing out a logical dilemma that can't be solved by wishful thinking.
Likening him to a Nazi is horribly off and a terrible insult to a man who lost family members to the holocaust (one of his family, Alice iirc, is a well known artist who I once saw speak at Yad Vashem, as it happens).
> Just another antisemite...
>> ?
It's pretty clear to me when you misquote and twist all kinds of sources to suit false narratives. That takes a certain level of commitment.
But lets keep it simple
I have two questions:
1) How would you propose to maintain a Jewish State of Israel in light of a growing Arab/Muslim population in her borders?
2) Is there any legitimacy at all to the borders outlined in the Torah (i.e. are Jews allowed to practice their religion, which dictates hundreds of laws specific to the land of Israel)?
> Nahal Haredi ... What are you talking about.
I'm talking about US sanctions on an ill disciplined unit. Of course, ToI thinks they're not, but it is significant that Israel's largest political, financial, and military backer would do this. Quite symbolic.
> telling you what my direct orders were throughout
I didn't dispute that. Just that direct orders rarely mean anything when there's an air of impunity.
> That takes a certain level of commitment
Yeah, you bet, when IDF is bombing the country of my ancestors.
> Likening him to a Nazi is horribly off
Not him, specifically.
I think I pointed out an article by former peace activist Amos Oz that the "absolute far-right" themselves proclaimed they'd rather be "Judeo-Nazis" than dead "Saints"? Unsure if Kahane was one of them.
> How would you propose to maintain a Jewish State
This report by RegThink I think is a good start. https://www.regthink.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/The-Day-...
> Torah (i.e. are Jews allowed to practice their religion
I'm even in favour of the Jewish and the Arab peoples together establishing the Temple on the Dome of the Rock, right next to the Mosque in the Compound, if that's what the majority of the Jewish people want!