Comment by ksec
1 year ago
>Nowadays this behavior is not only heavily shamed but also very often punished.
Well the pendulum is swinging back. But it is going to take at least 10-15 years. As with everything we need both, and use them when ever it is appreciate.
I'm not sure it's going to be enough; the ones holding powers in organisations are not ready to let go of it and it's more of a systemic problem.
I think a shock is needed for real transformation, politics are just a show, what really happens is dependent on the sentiment of the executants.
Otherwise, it's going to take a very long time like you said but it's not clear whether the system will survive that long, at least in the EU.
It's funny that I got downvoted and you as well. On HN the white knights outnumber people with a realistic world-view heavily. I don't blame them; when your earnings/power depends on you not asking too many questions and subscribing to the dominant ideology this is what you do.
I got quite used to downvoting. That is why I have in my bio being contrarian. It is not that I want to be one so I go for the opposite opinion.
I agree it may not survive that long in the EU, especially in the UK I am not even sure which one is worst.
I'm not well informed on the precise situation in the UK, I only get bits here and there from remarks in media (I don't consume much mainstream media) but it looks like it's getting pretty bad.
Don't worry, France (where I'm from) is following very closely in the massive destruction happening under the weight of the dominant ideology.
Metternich, the Austrian chancellor once said: "When France Sneezes, the Rest of Europe Catches a Cold". So maybe we should worry a bit but at the same time France is nowhere near as relevant as it once was, so maybe we are just spectators of the fall of a once dominant culture.
The problem with downvoting is that it's just people refusing to engage in a productive debate because it hurts their feeling about what is supposedly good or bad. It ends up being a massive popularity contest which is exactly the pitfalls that Aristotle warned about democracy.