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Comment by 2mlWQbCK

3 months ago

Everything is fine, unless/until many developers begin to assume systemd is present and make software ports to non-systemd Linux (or *BSD) systems prohibitively expensive.

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ChocolateGod  3 months ago

> Everything is fine, unless/until many developers begin to assume systemd is present and make software ports to non-systemd Linux

Nothing wrong with this if a system service is going to be present on 99.999% of installs and frees the developer from having to do work.

e.g. GNOME swapped its service manager for subprocesses (e.g. bluetooth) to systemd user units because it does a far better job.

  • taurknaut  3 months ago

    > Nothing wrong with this if a system service is going to be present on 99.999% of installs

    Is there a sign linux installs will hit this metric in our lifetime? I don't think there's any strong indication of this. There are multiple distros devoted to not moving to systemd.

    > GNOME swapped its service manager for subprocesses (e.g. bluetooth) to systemd user units because it does a far better job.

    Not on computers without systemd it doesn't! Besides, Gnome still runs just fine on systems with init scripts like *BSDs with no visible loss of quality or stability so this was a purely political choice to spite their own linux user base.

    • ChocolateGod  3 months ago

      > There are multiple distros devoted to not moving to systemd

      Yes and zero have wide spread adoption outside of specific use cases (e.g. Alpine with containers, Android with its.. slop).

      As far as base distros go, only RHEL and Debian have any wide spread impact and both use systemd.

      > so this was a purely political choice to spite their own linux user base.

      It's possible the old system exists as a fallback, but it wouldn't surprise me if its not guaranteed to stay around. People aren't required to support other peoples choices unless you pay them.

  • einpoklum  3 months ago

    > Nothing wrong with this if a system service is going to be present

    This kind attitude will be the death of Linux. In the form of systemd-os.

    > a system service is going to be present on 99.999% of installs

    It's not, because a large number of users and system administrators dislike it, and don't use it. And the high number it does have is mostly due to distributions forcing it on you - so that you can only remove it by switching distributions altogether.

    • LargoLasskhyfv  3 months ago

      > In the form of systemd-os.

      I like that, because it's so easy to change into systemDOS. AKA Denial Of Service. :-)