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Comment by bloomingkales

1 year ago

"besides privacy"

lol.

Yeah, just besides that one little thing. We really are a beaten down society aren't we.

Most people value privacy, but they’re practical about it.

The odds of a cloud server leaking my information is non-zero, but it’s very small. A government entity could theoretically get to it, but they would be bored to tears because I have nothing of interest to them. So practically speaking, the threat surface of cloud hosting is an acceptable tradeoff for the speed and ease of use.

Running things at home is fun, but the hosted solutions are so much faster when you actually want to get work done. If you’re doing some secret sensitive work or have contract obligations then I could understand running it locally. For most people, trying to secure your LLM interactions from the government isn’t a priority because the government isn’t even interested.

Legally, the government could come and take your home server too. People like to have fantasies about destroying the server during a raid or encrypting things, but practically speaking they’ll get to it or lock you up if they want it.

  • What about privacy from enriching other entities through contributions to their models, with thoughts concieved from your own mind? A non-standard way of thinking about privacy, sure. But I look forward to the ability to improve an offline model of my own with my own thoughts and intellect—rather than giving it away to OpenAI/Microsoft/Google/Apple/DeepSeek/whoever.

  • If the odds are so small, how come there are numerous password dumps? Your credentials may well be in them.

There is something about this comment that is so petty that I had to re-read it. Nice dunk, I guess.

Privacy is a relatively new concept, and the idea that individuals are entitled to complete privacy is a very new and radical concept.

I am as pro-privacy as they come, but let’s not pretend that government and corporate surveillance is some wild new thing that just appeared. Read Horace’s Satires for insight into how non-private private correspondence often was in Ancient Rome.

  • It's a bit of both. Village societies don't have a lot of privacy. But they also don't make it possible for powerful individuals to datamine personal information of millions.

    Most of us have more privacy than 200 years ago in some ways, and much less privacy in other ways.