Comment by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2
5 months ago
<< find an exec and buy their details for pennies and call them up on their cellphone. (this is usually successful, but can backfire badly -- CashApp terminated my account for this shenanigans)
Honestly, kudos. The rules should apply to the ones foisting this system upon us as well. This is probably the only way to make anyone in power reconsider current setup.
<< As soon as your cousin clicks "Yes, I would like to share the entire contents of my contacts with you" when they launch TikTok your name, phone number, email etc are all in the crowd.
And people laughed at Red Reddington when he said he had no email.
It's odd that of the two replies referencing people, both got their names obviously wrong. Is that a new phishing tactic?
Russian bot tactic? Guessing it’s an easy way to farm interaction as people comment back to correct the mistake.
An innocent coincidence, by two established users that link their contact info in their profile. It must be the Russians!
It's genuinely sad that this level of Cold War paranoia has been normalized again.
Which are those comments? Aha, "Make Cuban" is one such comment and Mr Oliver someone
New AI tactic.
salting the fields are we? total informational warfare, the digital equivalent of Sherburne's March to the sea during the American Civil War.
There was a post from someone a long time ago who has an email address and name similar to Make Cuban but not quite. He got quite a few cold call emails meant for Cuban. A lot of them were quite sad (people asking for money for medical procedures and such).
Where do you buy their details from?
Right now, my goto is signalhire
Thank you, though I have a feeling that they get their data from their own sign up form.
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As we all know some of the "consent" pop-ups have a first page of general settings, and then a "vendors" page to further deselect all the "legitimate interests".
I recently noticed that a fraction of the "vendors" allow deselecting the "legitimate interest" but have the "consent" tick box marked and unmodifiable.
Consider the following page:
https://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/artic...
The following vendors have un-deselectable "consent" tickboxes:
1) What is up with these?
2) Are these even legal under GDPR rules?
3) Does this not nullify arguments by certain 3 letter agencies that users "consent" to their tracking?
4) Who is behind these companies? Any idea on how to approach this from an investigative journalism angle? Can we figure out the headquarters, employee counts, CEO's of these companies?
5) If "undeselectable consent tickboxes" qualify as legally valid consent, doesn't this set a precedent to foist off miryads of types of lack of consent as "consent"? Will this enable legalizing rape? Where does this Pandora's box end? How is this any different from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQsrwBi2Jo
6) As far as I understand, an illegal contract is void. If the forms submitted by users contained undeselectable "consent tickboxes"; then the forms no longer constitute legal contracts. Observe that this is regardless of the preferences of all the other tickboxes: even if users were to lazy to deselect all the deselectable tickboxes, the mere presence of deselectable tickboxes voids these forms as contracts. This means that all the other vendors didn't receive any consent, since their specific submitted form-as-a-contract is void, even if the majority of the vendors had consent tickboxes that could be deselected. It would seem prudent for such companies to insist that the forms don't contain undeselectable tickboxes for any companies since it would nullify the consent they hope to receive.
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> The rules should apply to the ones foisting this system upon us as well. This is probably the only way to make anyone in power reconsider current setup.
Unless your problem is with the company doing the privacy violations, this doesn’t make any sense.
Pretty much all companies are doing the privacy violations. You think your doctors office doesn't sell their contact list?
Where I live, which is not in the USA, I'm confident my doctor's office doesn't sell their contact list - or at least, not without statistical anonymisation and aggregation for research purposes.
They probably outsource processing the data and storing it to other entities, but that will be under contracts which govern how the data may be used and handled. I assume that's not what "sell the data" means in this conversation.
It would be such an egregious violation of local data protection law to sell patient personal details for unrestricted commercial use, including their contact info, and it would make the political news where I live if they were found out.
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HIPAA is pretty much the only halfway effective privacy regulation the US has. It imposes strong regulatory, licensure, and even criminal censure for violations.
It's formulated so that they can give those contacts away rather than sell them, but only to the rest of the medical goods & services supplychain that are involved in your care, who are also bound by HIPAA.
The worst dark pattern this has generated so far seems to be pharmaceutical company drug reps bribing your doctor to change what they would prescribe you.
The worst that's likely to happen without regulation, as far as I can tell, involves an associated provider just leaking UnitedHealthcare's full database of every patient and every condition.
In my country (and I suspect most Western Countries) my doctor would lose his medical licence for selling my contact information.
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Exactly this was tried by the likes of James Oliver and journalists/comedians of that caliber running ads and gathering data from politicians in Washington.
It was some years ago and resulted in nothing
Do you mean John Oliver?
or Jamie Olive Oil?
LOL!