Comment by closewith
18 days ago
> I can see that you're unfamiliar with how EU grants and how these project collections work, but I don't have much time to address this with great detail.
This is a take that can only come from someone who is dependent on Horizon, because I don't think any independent observer could look at Horizon projects and say they just work.
> This is a take that can only come from someone who is dependent on Horizon.
No, I'm not dependent on Horizon Programme. I just look at what we did, the outcomes, and talk from that point.
Maybe our sphere is one of the ones which deliver. I can't see the whole thing, it's too big to observe. Even if we're in the 5% which delivers, which is same with the startup scene, which is loudly applauded because it's an incredibly well working system.
You are maybe in 0.005%. If project has even a presentation at the end it’s already being considered successful. And I thought it’s maybe Poland only, but Germant and France is the same (I’ve seen this myself, not heard from 3rd party)
It's not only Poland. I've had the misfortune of suffering through a couple Horizon projects, with partners from many European countries. Same experience as you had. "These are not serious people" sums it up.
Start-ups deliver something much more complicated/different than these research projects.
If the whole research project at the end actually delivers a somewhat coherent prototype, it's seen as a huge success.
Most start-ups start with a proof-of-concept prototype to transform it into an economically viable product.
So, comparing these success rates does not make sense. Multiple research groups can deliver rough prototypes at the end and celebrate their "huge success". In most fields, there can be only a few economically surviving startups...
> Most start-ups start with a proof-of-concept prototype to transform it into an economically viable product.
And most fail utterly at even delivering a viable product, let alone an economically viable one.,
Oh come on startups deliver websites, it's 1997 shit.
What did you actually deliver in which project? Not really expecting a real answer here as far as I have seen all Horizon Programms are just trash that has no commercial use.