Comment by organsnyder
2 months ago
If AI was just reading, there would be much less controversy. It would also be pretty useless. The issue is that AI is creating its own derivative content based on the content it ingests.
2 months ago
If AI was just reading, there would be much less controversy. It would also be pretty useless. The issue is that AI is creating its own derivative content based on the content it ingests.
Isn't any answer to a question which hasn't been previously answered a derivative work? Or when a human write a parody of a song, or when a new type of music is influenced by something which came before.
This argument is so bizarre to me. Humans create new, spontaneous thoughts. AI doesn’t have that. Even if someone’s comment is influenced by all the data they have ingested over their lives, their style is distinct and deliberate, to the point where people have been doxxed before/anonymous accounts have been uncovered because someone recognized the writing style. There’s no deliberation behind AI, just statistical probabilities. There’s no new or spontaneous thoughts, at most pseudorandomness introduced by the author of the model interface.
Even if you give GenAI unlimited time, it will not develop its own writing/drawing/painting style or come up with a novel idea, because strictly by how it works it can only create „new” work by interpolating its dataset
This argument is so bizarre to me.
There is no evidence whatsoever to support that humans create "new, spontaneous thoughts" in any materially, qualitatively different way than an AI. In other words: As a Turing-computable function over the current state. It may be that current AI's can't, but the notion that there is some fundamental barrier is a hypothesis with no evidence to support it.
> Even if you give GenAI unlimited time, it will not develop its own writing/drawing/painting style or come up with a novel idea, because strictly by how it works it can only create „new” work by interpolating its dataset
If you know of any mechanism whereby humans can do anything qualitatively different, then you'd have the basis for a Nobel Prize-winning discovery. We know of no mechanism that could allow humans to exceed the Turing computability that AI models are limited to.
We don't even know how to formalize what it would mean to "come up with a novel idea" in the sense you appear to mean, as presumably, something purely random would not satisfy you, yet something purely Turing computable would also not do, but we don't know of any computable functions that are not Turing computable.
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>Humans create new, spontaneous thoughts I don't believe we do; just look to media, very few plot-lines in Movies/TV are little more than "boy meets girl Pocahontas".
And if you say that a model could not create anything new because of it's static data set but humans could...I disagree with that because us humans are working with a data set that we add to some days, but if we use the example of writing a TV script, the writer draw from their knowledge (gained thru life experience) that is as finite as a model's training set is.
I've made this sort of comment before. Even look to high fantasy; what are elves but humans with different ears? Goblins are just little humans with green skin. Dragons are just big lizards. Minotaurs are just humans but mixed with a bull. We basically create no new ideas - 99% of human "creativity" is just us riffing on things we know of that already exist.
I'd say the incidences of humans having a brand new thought or experience not rooted in something that already exists is very, very low.
Even just asking free chat gpt to make me a fantasy species with some culture and some images of the various things it described does pretty well; https://imgchest.com/p/lqyeapqkk7d. But it's all rooted in existing concepts, same as anything most humans would produce.
> Humans create new, spontaneous thoughts.
The compatibility of determinism and freedom of will is still controversially debated. There is a good chance that Humans don’t „create“.
> There’s no deliberation behind AI, just statistical probabilities. There’s no new or spontaneous thoughts, at most pseudorandomness introduced by the author of the model interface.
You can say exactly the same about deterministic humans since it is often argued that the randomness of thermodynamic or quantum mechanical processes is irrelevant to the question of whether free will is possible. This is justified by the fact that our concept of freedom means a decision that is self-determined by reasons and not a sequence of events determined by chance.
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