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Comment by rdtsc

10 months ago

> If shaming on social media does not work, then tell me what does, because I'm out of ideas.

That's just manipulative. Maybe it's just a moment of frustration and they'd take it back eventually, but blackmailing people with social drama is not cool. That's what X and Reddit is for.

> Rust folks: Please don't waste your time and mental cycles on drama like this [...] they know they're going to be on the losing side of history sooner or later.

That sounds very cult-like, doesn't it?

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darthrupert  10 months ago

Threatening with social media seems to me like a professional suicide, especially when it's followed by a doubling down and a complete lack of anything resembling an apology.

I'm amazed that Hector is doing this fully in public using his real name.

Aeolun  10 months ago

It’s true though? I don’t see anyone picking C/C++ over Rust/Go in my immediate environment.

That might reflect my environment, but all of the things I’d consider C variations for I’d use Rust for as well…

  • 59nadir  10 months ago

    It's definitely your environment, Rust isn't nearly as popular for actual projects getting done as it is in (for example) StackOverflow's survey. C, C++, Odin and Zig are all languages where whatever C knowledge you have right now can trivially be put to use to do things, immediately, I think it makes perfect sense that unless someone is just really into doing Rust things they'll just take the trivially applicable ways of working and use the aforementioned languages (which all have much better support for batch memory management and custom allocators than Rust, it should be added).

    • baranul  10 months ago

      There are a lot of C programmers who do not like or are not fond of Zig or Odin. For highly proficient C and C++ programmers, many consider them not worth their time. Not even counting, that both Zig and Odin are in beta. It's an investment to become as proficient in the other language.

      An example is Muratori from handmade hero, who publicly stated he dislikes Zig and pretty much sees it as a confused mess[1]. He thinks Odin is kind of OK, because it has metaprogramming (which other languages do too), but is way below Jai. Between Jai and Odin, he thought Jai was the one with potential and could get him to switch/use. Odin's slight popularity, as a kind of Jai-lite, is often attributed to Jai being a closed beta. But, it appears that might change soon (Jai going public or opening up beta use more), along with an upcoming book on Jai.

      Programming languages like Go and V (Vlang), have more of a use case for new programmers and general-purpose, because they are easier to learn and use. That was the point of their creation.

      [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVVhwALd0o4 (Full Casey Muratori: Language Perf and Picking A Lang Stream)

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  • rdtsc  10 months ago

    I meant the whole “we are on the right side of history” and if you’re not with us you’re against us and we’ll wage a public drama campaign against you.