Comment by Juliate
13 days ago
You’re deflecting.
As such you demonstrate that you will not be an ally in case of a surge of unethical behavior.
The point isn’t for nazis to defend themselves - it is to defeat them while you can.
13 days ago
You’re deflecting.
As such you demonstrate that you will not be an ally in case of a surge of unethical behavior.
The point isn’t for nazis to defend themselves - it is to defeat them while you can.
I'm not deflecting I think we just have different points of view.
> The point ... is to defeat them while you can.
That can be your point, and with that framing almost anything is permissible! My point is generally to let free, open democracy run its course without putting our fingers on the scale too much.
I'm not scared of people doing a salute in the style of a movement that's been dead for almost a century. I'm not scared of communists flags or chants, or people chanting from the river to the sea. I think it's all healthy as long as it's non violent. The argument that it leads to violence is not logically sound and very minority reportesque.
> The argument that it leads to violence is not logically sound and very minority reportesque.
That a nazi salute, corroborated with converging political views…? You obviously don’t understand, don’t see how things happen.
Or you do, and you know downplaying “nazi wannabees” is part of the game.
It’s not about being scared but principled: an open democracy does not tolerate ideas going against its very foundations: it makes sure these are, expressed maybe, but kept in a very strict perimeter which they ought no get out from.
We don't ban Maoists or Stalinists or Mussolini style facists. We don't ban Napoleonics or Confederates.
After WW2 there was a period of strong Jewish support for nazi rights. Were they not an open democracy? Is the risk in 2025 stronger than what they faced?
I don't know really, is it that every era needs a boogeyman or is it just that we are on a grand cycle away from liberality? Both maybe?
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