Comment by stirlo
10 months ago
100% this. Yes, Hector went nuclear, but he begged Linus to step in and provide leadership (either merge or reject) and instead Linus ignored the whole technical issue with regards to rust being totally blocked.
Even now with Hector out of the picture, there’s still no suitable path forward for rust in Linux. No wonder why people are giving up (exactly what the blockers want).
>Even now with Hector out of the picture, there’s still no suitable path forward for rust in Linux
The suitable path forward is to submit the patch series like normal to Linus, where it will be merged regardless of CH's NACK. CH isn't able to actually stop this process, he's just being a jerk.
However, I agree with you that it would have been nice to actually publicly clarify the situation rather than ignore it and deal with the whole thing behind closed doors. It shouldn't need to be explained that letting this sort of thing fester is a great way to kill motivation in a project and ensure it's less likely that new people will get involved.
The reasoning Linus himself gives for greenlighting Rust is, among other things, to avoid stagnation. In practice, CH is doing everything he can to stonewall and sabotage efforts to subsequently bring Rust to solve problems. This explosion, now, was plainly a consequence of months and months of failure. And that anyone name-calls to blame that failure on “a drama-seeker” leaves me to wonder about the future of Linux 20 years from now.
Counterpoint: prior to going nuclear, is there any evidence that Marcan directly tried to get Linus's attention, given the huge quanity of mailing-list mail Linus is sure to get every day?
I only see Danilo doing that in that thread. And admittedly Linus didn't respond (and Greg KH only minimally responded). But even CC probably means a lot of mail for top maintainers, and at that point I don't see anything that would've gotten in the way of "send a PR despite the Nacked-by", which has been done in the past.
He literally says in the post he reached out to Linus directly and to this day haven’t gotten a response. He also himself was (trying to) upstream patches for years, usually ending up similarly getting stonewalled
I don't see the word "reach" or any relevant mention of "Linus" in either the "shaming" post or in the resignation post.
Even if there was, I'm not sure I trust the word of such a drama-seeker directly, so it's reasonable to a evidence of on-mailing-list appeals adding CC (as Danilo did), and if that fails mention of contacting Linus off-list in that specific subthread.
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