I'm going to assume good faith here. Yesterday they just asked congress for $4.3 trillion in deficit spending (debt increase) to fund tax cuts for the people who pay the lowest taxes already. The majority of government spending is on defense, which hasn't been auditable in decades. You're either wildly misinformed, or trolling.
> I'm going to assume good faith here. Yesterday they just asked congress for $4.3 trillion in deficit spending (debt increase) to fund tax cuts for the people who pay the lowest taxes already.
Completely - it's again propaganda vs reality. They keep showing exactly what they believe by their actions, but from.what I see people on the right keep believing their words/propaganda. There is such and echo chamber on the contermporary right it's incredible. No matter how much tangible, see-it-with-your-own-eyes evidence of something is presented, as long as there is a cover story given that denies it people seem to keep believing the story. And then afterwards when it becomes clear that reality was the case and not the story it all swaps over to rationalizations and the cycle begins again with a new topic.
I remember when it was "there is no way this candidate really will do the extreme things he claims. He's just saying them for effect." To "he doesn't really mean he'll work to be a dictator from day one when he says it" "he doesn't really mean vote for him and you'll never need to vote again".
Then when he starts doing it but gives a different cover story it: "Yah he's not really doing that, he's just cutting waste", to what will be "he's not really doing that he's just fixing unfair election procedures" and so on.
Then finally it will be again "yes he actually did those things but here's why its ok and it doesn't change my mind".
Extremely prominent SV backers in the VP side of the administration have said/implied multiple times if it's democracy or their world views, they choose instituting their world views - and somehow people are still making justifications saying "they don't really mean that, they won't really do that." Even with the clear evidence of what's happening now.
Why do people refuse to believe people when they are explicitly stating their intentions?
Sidestepping any specific political topic, this new view of "I'm against the other party's political touch point item that I'd rather throw out 250 years of democracy" is really wild to witness.
I am always reminded by a critique of the Obama v Mitt Romney (2012) how if there is one thing the left and right are in full agreement on, it is to massively spend on the military. The left and the right can disagree on health, taxes, and the economy, but when it comes to the military they are in a full agreement.
Based on your reply, you don't really understand much. That's okay. It's okay to be ignorant. It's an opportunity to learn and improve.
Congress asked for a debt increase because they plan to cut taxes. The debt hasn't been accrued yet, they plan to cut taxes and it will cost 4.3 trillion.
DOGE isn't trying to make the government better or more efficient. They want to cut programs and staff they're ideologically opposed to which is in theory all government, but in practice all government that doesn't enrich Trump or Musk.
How can you repeat exactly what he said verbatim and then call him misinformed or trolling? I'm going to assume bad faith here and remind other readers that only a small portion of the country is productive and those people should be incentivized to work above all others, even if it means paying them.
This has been the status quo for a long time, rather than pay taxes and get it all back in controversial and bloated government contracts (which is what gives the appearance of government spending working) it's better to stay lean and just have them not pay, as this removes the middlemen.
Let a company do it's job and you get people crying about them raping the planet and exploiting workers
Stick a company with red tape, tax them a billion, give them (and yourself) a billion to complete a political project that goes nowhere and it's labeled a great success with people cheering in the street and using it as an example of socialist success for the next 60 years.
Lower tax bills for the rich. Proposed tax cuts would make the higher incomes less taxed and the not 1% incomes (or something around that 1%) more taxed
The problem is that “waste” is now “anything Trump and Musk don’t like”.
I’d be happy if they actually saved real money by cutting the military budget in half, but that’s not going to happen because the US is an industrial-military based economy.
How much did Trump’s 2017 tax cuts lower your tax bills? They didn’t lower mine. I benefited more from Biden’s tax policies (child tax credits) than Trump’s. Even taking it from the point of view of “fuck the gov, fuck climate change and our future, I want what’s mine, now” Trump did nothing for me in his 4 years on power and is doing nothing for me now - gutting a bunch of gov agencies doesn’t put money in my pocket.
I'm going to assume good faith here. Yesterday they just asked congress for $4.3 trillion in deficit spending (debt increase) to fund tax cuts for the people who pay the lowest taxes already. The majority of government spending is on defense, which hasn't been auditable in decades. You're either wildly misinformed, or trolling.
> I'm going to assume good faith here. Yesterday they just asked congress for $4.3 trillion in deficit spending (debt increase) to fund tax cuts for the people who pay the lowest taxes already.
Completely - it's again propaganda vs reality. They keep showing exactly what they believe by their actions, but from.what I see people on the right keep believing their words/propaganda. There is such and echo chamber on the contermporary right it's incredible. No matter how much tangible, see-it-with-your-own-eyes evidence of something is presented, as long as there is a cover story given that denies it people seem to keep believing the story. And then afterwards when it becomes clear that reality was the case and not the story it all swaps over to rationalizations and the cycle begins again with a new topic.
I remember when it was "there is no way this candidate really will do the extreme things he claims. He's just saying them for effect." To "he doesn't really mean he'll work to be a dictator from day one when he says it" "he doesn't really mean vote for him and you'll never need to vote again".
Then when he starts doing it but gives a different cover story it: "Yah he's not really doing that, he's just cutting waste", to what will be "he's not really doing that he's just fixing unfair election procedures" and so on.
Then finally it will be again "yes he actually did those things but here's why its ok and it doesn't change my mind".
Extremely prominent SV backers in the VP side of the administration have said/implied multiple times if it's democracy or their world views, they choose instituting their world views - and somehow people are still making justifications saying "they don't really mean that, they won't really do that." Even with the clear evidence of what's happening now.
Why do people refuse to believe people when they are explicitly stating their intentions?
Sidestepping any specific political topic, this new view of "I'm against the other party's political touch point item that I'd rather throw out 250 years of democracy" is really wild to witness.
I am always reminded by a critique of the Obama v Mitt Romney (2012) how if there is one thing the left and right are in full agreement on, it is to massively spend on the military. The left and the right can disagree on health, taxes, and the economy, but when it comes to the military they are in a full agreement.
This old video from rap news still ring very true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpMPu5p_QXU
The largest discretionary spending is the military.
The issue Americans have is that they can't really afford non-discretionary welfare spending.
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You care about debt, so why did you vote for the guy who increased the debt more than his successor
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and...
Also it seems like you're confused by what a budget plan is for, it is what they want to do, not about the past.
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Based on your reply, you don't really understand much. That's okay. It's okay to be ignorant. It's an opportunity to learn and improve.
Congress asked for a debt increase because they plan to cut taxes. The debt hasn't been accrued yet, they plan to cut taxes and it will cost 4.3 trillion.
DOGE isn't trying to make the government better or more efficient. They want to cut programs and staff they're ideologically opposed to which is in theory all government, but in practice all government that doesn't enrich Trump or Musk.
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Take a look at how much the deficit increased in Trumps first term.
Did Trumps tax cuts put money if your pocket? They didn’t put money in mine (but Biden’s tax policies - child tax credits - did, ironically).
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How can you repeat exactly what he said verbatim and then call him misinformed or trolling? I'm going to assume bad faith here and remind other readers that only a small portion of the country is productive and those people should be incentivized to work above all others, even if it means paying them.
This has been the status quo for a long time, rather than pay taxes and get it all back in controversial and bloated government contracts (which is what gives the appearance of government spending working) it's better to stay lean and just have them not pay, as this removes the middlemen.
Let a company do it's job and you get people crying about them raping the planet and exploiting workers
Stick a company with red tape, tax them a billion, give them (and yourself) a billion to complete a political project that goes nowhere and it's labeled a great success with people cheering in the street and using it as an example of socialist success for the next 60 years.
Lower tax bills for the rich. Proposed tax cuts would make the higher incomes less taxed and the not 1% incomes (or something around that 1%) more taxed
The problem is that “waste” is now “anything Trump and Musk don’t like”.
I’d be happy if they actually saved real money by cutting the military budget in half, but that’s not going to happen because the US is an industrial-military based economy.
How much did Trump’s 2017 tax cuts lower your tax bills? They didn’t lower mine. I benefited more from Biden’s tax policies (child tax credits) than Trump’s. Even taking it from the point of view of “fuck the gov, fuck climate change and our future, I want what’s mine, now” Trump did nothing for me in his 4 years on power and is doing nothing for me now - gutting a bunch of gov agencies doesn’t put money in my pocket.