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Comment by scarab92

5 days ago

Musk is a hypocrite, but so too are progressives on the topic of freedom of speech.

It's the pot calling the kettle black.

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advael  5 days ago

Wait so you're saying that anyone who criticizes Musk is in this bucket of "progressive" and therefore is accountable for the supposed hypocrisy of all "progressives"?

Actually this argument makes no sense. I know that it's commonly repeated in propaganda, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid on its face. You can't just throw people into a collective arbitrarily and then hold them responsible for everyone else you'd call that's actions

  • scarab92  5 days ago

    Hypocrites deflect when their hypocrisy is called out.

    • advael  5 days ago

      Sure, but also hypocrisy only makes sense when applied to a single person or an actual organization that actually collectively takes positions. "Progressives" is an amorphous category that can seemingly include anyone we want to declare "woke" at any given time, and seems to span the political spectrum from even the most right-leaning democrat politicians to random tankie teenagers on social media. Such an incoherent group doesn't have collective positions or collective responsibility for each other's positions, and I think it's important to point this out because it's a very common rhetorical gambit

engeljohnb  5 days ago

That's a generalization that I think you'll find hard to back up with evidence. I'm the progressive you're discussing this with right now, and I don't think I've said anything inconsistent. But I'll respond to your imagination's idea of what "progressives" must be saying anyway.

The statements "Elon Musk Musk doesn't care about free speech because he doesn't allow (edge case)." and "Free speech has limits." Are non-contradictory.

Additionally, not allowing links to Signal isn't an "edge case," but a considerable offense against free speech (the general concept, not the literal law in the constitution), especially for one who calls himself a "free speech absolutist."