Comment by amazingamazing
3 days ago
I don’t understand the infatuation with blue sky. The minute they need money it’ll go the way of the Reddit and twitter.
3 days ago
I don’t understand the infatuation with blue sky. The minute they need money it’ll go the way of the Reddit and twitter.
If everything good is assumed to eventually become bad, why not use things while they are good and then immediately move on when it becomes bad?
Your actions' consequences are not limited to benefiting from the thing like it would for a product - with social media, you improve the networking effect for the soon-to-be bad. (Nothing against bluesky, I don't know or think it will do so)
Not everything good becomes bad. That premise is wrong.
Bluesky accepted VC money. For a social platform that means its death certificate has already been signed.
What you're ignoring with that framing is that we can use social media that operates outside the VC startup pipeline and doesn't have enshittification baked in from the start.
People want the old Twitter, and Bluesky is close to that. It also cosplays being decentralized to people who don’t look too closely.
What makes it not decentralised?
https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
The approximately a million dollars a year that it costs to run another copy.
The fact that you have to be on “the” relay to meaningfully participate on the network.
If you instead claim that users can always choose to use other 3P relays, then you immediately lose all the nice things that Bluesky is able to do well today (search, discoverability, a “discover” algorithm). Indeed, you fall back to the same old problems that every other decentralized social network has.
Bluesky is just a shittier version of Nostr, except that the people over at Nostr don’t pretend.
People seem to lark on and on about how it has better "default moderation" than Mastodon.
It's not that it is "better" but that the choice is individual, not up to the mastodon server. In Mastodon, you trade Elon for some other group of individuals, so what happens if they make decision on moderation or content you do not agree with?
ATProto is designed around accounts that are independent of data host, application, and moderation, all in the name of giving users individual control over these things. It's like if every Mastodon user ran their own server, but without the overhead
You have the opportunity to demonstrate this. I am banned from Bluesky. (They didn't tell me why - just a generic "you violated community guidelines")
Tell me, concretely, how people can choose to continue following me, even though I am banned.
Profile: immibis.bsky.social
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Are you suggesting the "big few" can't largely censor a given account?
I don't see how ATProto is doing noticeably better than the scenario where a large ActivityPub instance blocks your external account.
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>It's like if every Mastodon user ran their own server
No, it's like every Mastodon user used the same server, and all the coordination is done by one server that nobody can replicate.
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Twitter was always... not great (there's a reason it was affectionately known as the Hellsite), but it had 16 years of being _tolerable_ for most people (the real exodus only really started with Musk's changes, though there had been a couple of smaller ones previously, mostly over Twitter messing with the API).
Frankly, if I get 16 years out of Bluesky before having to move onto the next one, I can live with that. Social networks _die_; it has always been so. USENET, livejournal, Tumblr, twitter... nothing lasts forever.
My bluesky feed is somehow even more abhorrent than my twitter one, except that instead of right wing hate it's Facebook memes about "reading banned books"
Bluesky's 'Discover' feed (the default algo feed that you get when you create your account) is based on _likes_, not follows, so if you never like anything you'll get random nonsense.
You can try using other algo feeds from here: https://bsky.app/feeds and remove the discover feed, or of course you could just use the chronological one.
But when everything I see is awful, what do I like? I think that's my classic issue with feed style websites
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