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Comment by cgcrob

3 days ago

Are these actually even useful yet? Genuine question. I never managed to solicit and answer, only long explanations which seemed to have an answer of yes and no at the same time depending on who you observe.

No.

The long explanations boil down to this: quantum computers (so far) are better (given a million qubits) than classical computers at (problems that are in disguise) simulating quantum computers.

  •   given a million qubits ...
    

    also last time I checked the record was 80 qubits and with every doubling of the cubits the complexity of the system and the impurities and the noise are increasing. so it's even questionable whether there will ever be useful quantum computers

    • Microsoft Research entire point is that their approach will allow

        "fault-tolerant quantum computing architecture based on noise-resilient, topologically protected Majorana-based qubits."
      

      Roadmap to fault tolerant quantum computation using topological qubit arrays https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.12252

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    • The issue isn't really impurities and noise, quantum error-correction solves that problem. The issue is that the supporting technologies don't scale well. Superconducting qubit computers like google's have a bunch of fancy wires coming out of the top, basically one for each qubit. You can't have a million wires that size, or even a smaller size, so the RF circuitry that sends signals down those wires needs to be miniaturized and designed to operate at near 0K so it can live inside the dilution refrigerator, which is not easy.

      Microsoft's technology is pretty far behind as far as capacity but the scaling limitations are less significant and the error-correction overhead is either eliminated or smaller.

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    • Based on what i read it seems a lot of algorithmic work is required to even make them useful. New algorithms have to be discovered and still they will only solve only a special class of problems. They cant do classical computing so your NVIDIA GPU probably may never be replaced by a Quantum GPU.

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    • Hopefully not, besides quantum physics simulations the only problems they solve are the ones that should remain unsolved if we're to trust the integrity of existing systems.

      As soon as the first practical quantum computer is made available, so much recorded TLS encrypted data is gonna get turned into plain text, probably destroying millions of people's lives. I hope everyone working in quantum research is aware of what their work is leading towards, they're not much better than arms manufacturers working on the next nuke.

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    • i vaguely remember reading an article about solving the correlation between quantum decoherence and scaling of qubit numbers. i dont understand quantum computers so take it with a grain of salt.

      but here’s what perplexity says: “Exponential Error Reduction: Willow demonstrates a scalable quantum error correction method, achieving an exponential reduction in error rates as the number of qubits increases125. This is crucial because qubits are prone to errors due to their sensitivity to environmental factors25. ”

    • > last time I checked the record was 80 qubits

      It has progressed since: IBM Condor (demonstrated in december 2023) has 1121 qubits.

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  • Just like fusion energy it is pointless and you are not allowed to have excitement about it because some anonymous stranger on HN said so.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43093939#43094339

    • You're certainly allowed to get excited about it as long as you're patient and don't wildly overinflate the realistic timeline to net energy production. Similarly, nobody will stop you from hyping up quantum computation as long as you're not bullshitting usecases or lying about qubit scaling.

      In the wake of cryptocurrency and AI failing to live up to their outrageous levels of hype, many people on this site worry that the "feel the AGI" crowd might accidentally start feeling some other, seemingly-profitable vaporware to overhype and pump.

They can fundamentally break most asymmetric encryption, which is a good thing iff you want to do things that require forging signatures. Things like jailbreaks Apple can't patch, decryption tools that can break all E2E encryption, being able to easily steal your neighbor's Facebook login at the coffee shop...

Come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't invent quantum computers[0].

[0] Yes, even with the upside of permanently jailbreakable iPhones.

  • No you can't. Largest factored number using shor's algorithm is 21. No other algorithm scales to crypto levels.

    • You can't use shor's algorithm with current quantum computers.

      But if we were to get bigger and better quantum computers, we should use shor's algorithm. And that would, in fact, break the crypto behind HTTPS, SSH, smard-cards, and effectively all other forms of asymmetric crypto that are in use.

      There is a question how likely bigger and better quantum computers are. A decent case can be made that it is unlikely they will grow fast. But it is going to far to say that shor's algorithm is useless because current quantum computers aren't good enough. You can't dismiss the possibility of quantum computer growth out of hand.

yes, they are useful... as marketing materials. Other than that, not at all.

Sounds exactly like a quantum state itself!

It is frustrating to try to unpick the hype and filter the “will never work” from the “eureka!”

Useful exclusively for generating random numbers, just like every other "quantum computer" (at least the ones publicly announced).

Each "quantum" announcement will make it sound like they have accomplished massive scientific leaps but in reality absolutely no "quantum computer" today can do anything other than generating random numbers (but they are forced to make those announcements to justify their continued funding).

I usually get downvoted when making this statement (of fact) but please know that I don't hate these researches or their work and generally hope their developments turn into a real thing at some point (just like I hope fusion eventually turns into a real / net positive thing).

Only if you use them in conjunction with an HTML5 supercomputer. (Sorry, I couldn't resist with Nikola in the news again)